Wuhan Virus Update

13 Sep 2020 13:17 #251 by nate303

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13 Sep 2020 13:25 #252 by nate303
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onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1469-8676.12799

Ken Alibek - Former Soviet Bio Weapons Chief Scientist

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13 Sep 2020 13:27 #253 by nate303

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13 Sep 2020 13:30 #254 by Pony Soldier
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I had understood that it was simply a bat virus that was cataloged at the lab in Wuhan along with a couple hundred other strains that the CCP bragged about in a propaganda piece last year. I have heard a couple of people make the claim that it is weaponized but have seen no proof of that and a rather large amount of data that suggests that it isn’t. I’m no expert.

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13 Sep 2020 13:44 #255 by ScienceChic
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The link in that article purporting that "Biologists Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao published a pre-print entitled “The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus.” claiming that it was engineered in the lab was later retracted by those authors for lack of evidence. It isn't credible at all.

The Russians having a vaccine supposedly created in a "secret bio-weapons lab" to COVID-19 is zero proof that the virus itself isn't anything other than naturally occurring. A vaccine would be made the same way to a virus whether it was natural or not.

The 3rd/4th link in that article, where China blamed the U.S. military for releasing SARS-CoV-2 in China is the Chinese Communist Party being assholes trying to blame us for their problems. They can f*** off.

That last link is about an assertion that a Taiwanese researcher made that the addition of 4 amino acids was unusual and lent credence to it being man-made was debunked by other researchers, and that same Taiwanese researcher later denied making the claim that it was man-made. Note too, that he made that assertion in February and the articles I cited came out afterwards demonstrating deeper and more reliable genetic analyses published in more credible journals.

Taiwanese professor says Wuhan coronavirus likely man-made

The professor said that viruses normally only have small mutations in the form of singular changes in natural conditions. He asserted that in nature, it is "unlikely to have four amino acids added at once."

Fang concluded, "Therefore, from an academic point of view, it is indeed possible that the amino acids were added to COVID-19 in the lab by humans." He said that it is also still possible that this occurred in nature but that "the chances are very slim."

However, renowned Taiwanese-American professor Ching Lin on Feb. 1 refuted a similar theory being circulated that it was "bioweapon" created by the U.S., saying the addition of the aforementioned four amino acids is not as "critical" as some in the Chinese media had claimed.

Lin also cast doubt on the credibility of the paper (Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag) being cited in the conspiracy theories. He first suggested that the platform bioRxiv, on which the paper was published, is untrustworthy as most of the literature it posts does not undergo peer review.

After being contacted by Taiwan News for comment, Fang denied making the previously cited statements and said that he "does not support the highly popular man-made theory on the origin of this virus."


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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13 Sep 2020 14:00 #256 by ScienceChic
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1. This is about MERS, which arrived back in 2012. Read the comments in that article, it's trash.

nate303 wrote: sphcm.med.unsw.edu.au/news/could-mers-co...planations-paradoxes


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nate303 wrote: thediplomat.com/2020/04/did-xi-jinping-d...ly-sicken-the-world/

From that article:

None of this can prove whether or when Xi made a deliberate decision to withhold information in order to imperil others. ...This may constitute biological warfare. But even if it doesn’t Xi should be brought to account

Opinion article. Not evidence.


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nate303 wrote: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1469-8676.12799

Ken Alibek - Former Soviet Bio Weapons Chief Scientist

From that article:

We don’t know if Wuhan Institute conducts the secret research it was accused of, but we know that 30 years ago the Soviet centre for virology and microbiology, Vector, did.

This is Russia, not China, and again, there's no evidence cited that China engineered this virus.


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nate303 wrote: www.foxbusiness.com/healthcare/pandemic-...irus-sars-ken-alibek

No where in this story is the assertion made that China deliberately created this virus. Did they hide the initial outbreak? Absolutely. But we still don't know why, where it's natural host reservoir is, and what was being studied in the Wuhan lab. All genetic analysis points to it being a natural virus that evolved in multiple animal hosts before gaining the ability to infect humans, as all other natural viruses do.

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13 Sep 2020 14:17 #257 by nate303
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When you know what UNMOVIC is come back and talk. Otherwise you’re I’ll prepared to discuss anything WMD wise with me.

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13 Sep 2020 14:21 #258 by ScienceChic
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For some good news about COVID-19:
Steroids reduce deaths of critically ill COVID-19 patients, WHO confirms
The finding strengthens evidence that clinicians should give severely sick people the drugs
By Tina Hesman Saey, Science News | September 2, 2020

In June, a large study in the United Kingdom suggested that the steroid dexamethasone could help reduce the risk of death for critically ill COVID-19 patients. Now, more evidence suggests that steroids are an effective weapon against the coronavirus.

Researchers from the World Health Organization combined data from seven randomized clinical trials for severely or critically ill COVID-19 patients treated with steroids versus standard care or a placebo up to June 9. The trials used the steroids hydrocortisone, dexamethasone or methylprednisolone.


And this was fascinating. My lab director and former boss shared this one:
A Supercomputer Analyzed Covid-19 — and an Interesting New Theory Has Emerged
A closer look at the Bradykinin hypothesis
Thomas Smith, Medium

Earlier this summer, the Summit supercomputer at Oak Ridge National Lab in Tennessee set about crunching data on more than 40,000 genes from 17,000 genetic samples in an effort to better understand Covid-19. Summit is the second-fastest computer in the world, but the process — which involved analyzing 2.5 billion genetic combinations — still took more than a week.

When Summit was done, researchers analyzed the results. It was, in the words of Dr. Daniel Jacobson, lead researcher and chief scientist for computational systems biology at Oak Ridge, a “eureka moment.” The computer had revealed a new theory about how Covid-19 impacts the body: the bradykinin hypothesis. The hypothesis provides a model that explains many aspects of Covid-19, including some of its most bizarre symptoms. It also suggests 10-plus potential treatments, many of which are already FDA approved. Jacobson’s group published their results in a paper in the journal eLife in early July.

According to Jacobson’s group, the data Summit analyzed shows that Covid-19 isn’t content to simply infect cells that already express lots of ACE2 receptors. Instead, it actively hijacks the body’s own systems, tricking it into upregulating ACE2 receptors in places where they’re usually expressed at low or medium levels, including the lungs.

In this sense, Covid-19 is like a burglar who slips in your unlocked second-floor window and starts to ransack your house. Once inside, though, they don’t just take your stuff — they also throw open all your doors and windows so their accomplices can rush in and help pillage more efficiently.

The paper:
A mechanistic model and therapeutic interventions for COVID-19 involving a RAS-mediated bradykinin storm
Michael R Garvin, Christiane Alvarez, J Izaak Miller, Erica T Prates, Angelica M Walker, B Kirtley Amos, Alan E Mast, Amy Justice, Bruce Aronow, Daniel Jacobson
Jul 7, 2020
Cite as: eLife 2020;9:e59177 doi: 10.7554/eLife.59177

Neither the disease mechanism nor treatments for COVID-19 are currently known. Here, we present a novel molecular mechanism for COVID-19 that provides therapeutic intervention points that can be addressed with existing FDA-approved pharmaceuticals. The entry point for the virus is ACE2, which is a component of the counteracting hypotensive axis of RAS. Bradykinin is a potent part of the vasopressor system that induces hypotension and vasodilation and is degraded by ACE and enhanced by the angiotensin1-9 produced by ACE2. Here, we perform a new analysis on gene expression data from cells in bronchoalveolar lavage fluid (BALF) from COVID-19 patients that were used to sequence the virus. Comparison with BALF from controls identifies a critical imbalance in RAS represented by decreased expression of ACE in combination with increases in ACE2, renin, angiotensin, key RAS receptors, kinogen and many kallikrein enzymes that activate it, and both bradykinin receptors. This very atypical pattern of the RAS is predicted to elevate bradykinin levels in multiple tissues and systems that will likely cause increases in vascular dilation, vascular permeability and hypotension. These bradykinin-driven outcomes explain many of the symptoms being observed in COVID-19.


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14 Sep 2020 08:00 #259 by homeagain
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THANK YOU for this insightful article....I have read other sources speaking of the"storm"effect...it does make
sense...kinda like a feeding frenzy of hungry/angry sharks.

The most logical explanation is usually the simplest one....we have altered the Natural world and displaced
animals,insects,etc. Thereby exposing the outside world to UNKNOWN factors there were contained
previously....when U disrupt the balance of norm...expect the UNexpected. JMO

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14 Sep 2020 09:57 #260 by nate303
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There can simply be no denial that this was an intentional release. Bio weapons simply DO NOT accidentally release. Even China has a high level of security and technology to prevent this. The CCP got paid... Soros, Steyr and Gates. Brennan and Dennis McDonough are responsible.

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