SENATE PASSES AID BILL FOR UKRAINE, ISRAEL AND TIAWAN

17 Feb 2024 11:43 #41 by FredHayek
Yelensky just announced the the elections scheduled for March have just been canceled.

President Lincoln ran for reelection during the Civil War.
Woodrow Wilson ran for reelection during WWI.
FDR ran for reelection during WWII.

Ukraine? We have met the enemy and he is us? One dictator fighting another dictator.

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17 Feb 2024 12:34 #42 by ramage
". Handing over Crimea and parts of Eastern Ukraine based on a corrupt election."

This statement is based on a false premise. The referendum in 2008 in Crimea, was legitimate. The population of Crimea, and the 3 oblasts who voted for independence in 2014, are all in large majority ethnic Russians.
In 1954, Khrushchev, the premier of the U.S.S.R,, an ethnic Ukrainian, transferred the territory to the Ukraine S.S.R.. At the time this was little noticed by the U.S. The State Dept of the U.S. held and continues to hold that the U.S.S. R. was a homogeneous monolith. In reality, the Communist Party was the bogeyman not the Russian people. This attitude on the part of the State Department continues to this day. I would refer you to George F. Keenan's - American Diplomacy as a starting point to get an understanding of the issue.
The elections of 2014 were legitimate but not recognized by the U.S. and the E.U. on the basis of violating the Minsk Agreement. That is what can be called, ironic, German and France had stated that they never had any intention to abide by the Agreement from its inception.
I would be appreciative to hear any supporting statements as to why the elections in the new Republics are illegitimate.

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18 Feb 2024 09:50 #43 by FredHayek

How much do wars cost?

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18 Feb 2024 20:55 #44 by FredHayek

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19 Feb 2024 08:01 #45 by FredHayek

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19 Feb 2024 13:40 #46 by FredHayek

Remember when Biden thought highly of Putin?

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19 Feb 2024 18:54 #47 by FredHayek


K earlier said the EU was donating more to Ukraine than the US. Maybe. This story says these vehicles were sent to Ukraine but were useless for combat. Plus they claimed the vehicles cost three times what they actually were priced at.

So once again, Europe pledges to support but the actual support is much less than what they claimed.

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19 Feb 2024 22:03 #48 by Rick
These leaders are all phony’s and know damn well Putin isn’t going to invade any NATO country. If they really believed that, they wouldn’t be raping Ukraine with useless garbage. Bottom line is they also don’t want to make Russia mad at them and mess with current or future energy deals.

Trump was right about that too, yet they all laughed.

My guess would s tgat Ukraine will one day be known for the biggest money laundering scam in history… or maybe that would be Covid.

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20 Feb 2024 09:13 - 20 Feb 2024 09:14 #49 by FredHayek
Is NPR and the Ukrainian government itself a good enough source?

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FredHayek wrote: America is 35 trillion in the hole. Every year it takes one trillion dollars to service that debt total. Currently we are adding another trillion dollars every six months.

And K wants to give tens of billions to the US military industrial complex. We then ship our old military equipment to Ukraine. And corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs get rich selling it to others, possibly terrorists?


Prove your assertion that "Ukrainian oligarchs" are selling the weapons we send. Prove it.

Why do you want Putin to win, Fred? When did you become an admirer of dictators?



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20 Feb 2024 16:49 - 20 Feb 2024 16:52 #50 by Blazer Bob

Rick wrote:
My guess would s tgat Ukraine will one day be known for the biggest money laundering scam in history… or maybe that would be Covid.

My guess is food for oil. It's about as sugar coated as Michael Malkin and as obscure as Epstein's black book

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