I think I'm Gay

residenttroll wrote:

Science Chic wrote: Sorry rt, it's only been 2 days, and I didn't realize that I was leaving you desperately hanging - I would've dropped my son's orthodontist appointment, and everything else, if so! (Thanks for sticking up for me Nmysys!)
I haven't done any research on pedophilia and bestiality, but if I had to guess, I'd say that they result from abnormalities in brain chemistry that reduce inhibitions on morality. I cannot think of an instance, unlike homosexuality, where those two conditions would improve survivability of a species.

Yes, absolutely! You should have reschedule that orthodontist appointment (I hope you know I am kiddin' around, the only reason I was poking fun with the crickets was because I peeked at the thread on 285FT you warned me not to open).

And you're still talking to me! Amazing! Glad I didn't piss you off that much (it was posted all in fun, and I'm sure you've got some good Obama ones for retaliation!).

Now back to topic.

How do homosexual humans survive as a specie? They can't reproduce. They can only recruit. If homosexual humans can survive as specie, why isn't there any homosexual nations that have risen up to declared the taking back of their stolen ancestor lands from the straight heterosexuals?

I appreciate your guess on the abnormalities on pehophila and bestiality; however, how did you come to that conclusion? Couldn't that be argued for all morals: Lying, cheating, stealing, and even homosexuality? I think we can circle back and say that all of us are created equally until something triggers us to "reduce inhibitions on morality." Right? Don't we all have the ability to "reduce inhibitions on morality?"

Here's where I based my reasoning (copied and modified a bit from a previous thread)
Teddy wrote: Homosexuality is a deviance from the norm.

SC wrote: No, it's not.

Now, the researcher they interviewed for this article is definitely NOT mainstream, and there are not a lot of examples to cite (and I think that's due to a lack of understanding about this topic, and applying traditional biases to research design and analysis, but I've copied a few below) but I think her ideas make a lot of sense. If homosexuality in animals is one more method of increasing positive social interactions, benefiting the colony or species as a whole, and improving reproductive fitness through cooperative breeding and caring for young, then it's a logical progression to say that homosexuality is not a deviance in behavior, but an integral piece of survival and adaptability (so there wouldn't be any populations of all homosexuals or all heterosexuals, because neither has the optimal collection of both traits to increase likelihood of survival). Pedophilia and bestiality, on the other hand, serve only one selfish individual and does not benefit a group the same way. It's entirely possible that I am not considering all of the ramifications of those behaviors so feel free to disagree with me, but do say why - I'd like to ponder other points of view and consider them thoughtfully as well! Lying, cheating, and stealing have all been considered in sociology theories, trying to explain why they exist in a population, how prevalent they can become before becoming detrimental to the survival of a species, etc (to answer your question: no, we are not all created equally - some people trend faster to immoral behaviors than others, and yes, we all have the conscious choice to "lower our inhibitions on morality", but at some point there is a constraint on how many members of a population can act selfishly before that population starts to suffer and self-destruct). I've only read those kinds of studies briefly (I'm more concrete, detail-oriented, and sociology is too "squishy" for my usual tastes), but they do provide fascinating possible insights as to how individuals affect population as a whole and vice versa. As I'm sorely lacking in that area, I'll leave it be for now (but if you find anything interesting, please post it - I love suggestions for reading!).
http://seedmagazine.com/content/article ... l_kingdom/
The effeminate sheep and other problems with Darwinian sexual selection.
Evolution / by Jonah Lehrer / June 7, 2006

“The more complex and sophisticated a social system is,” she writes, “the more likely it is to have homosexuality intermixed with heterosexuality.”

Japanese macaques, an old world primate, illustrate this principle perfectly. Macaque society revolves around females, who form intricate dominance hierarchies within a given group. Males are transient. To help maintain the necessary social networks, female macaques engage in rampant lesbianism. These friendly copulations, which can last up to four days, form the bedrock of macaque society, preventing unnecessary violence and aggression. Females that sleep together will even defend each other from the unwanted advances of male macaques. In fact, behavioral scientist Paul Vasey has found that females will choose to mate with another female, as opposed to a horny male, 92.5% of the time. While this lesbianism probably decreases reproductive success for macaques in the short term, in the long run it is clearly beneficial for the species, since it fosters social stability. “Same-sex sexuality is just another way of maintaining physical intimacy,” Roughgarden says.

Consider the Eurasian oystercatcher, a shore bird that enjoys feasting on shellfish. A consistent minority of oystercatcher families are polygynous, in which a lucky male mates with two different females simultaneously. These threesomes come in two different flavors: aggressive and cooperative. In an aggressive threesome, the females are at war; they attack each other frequently, and try to disrupt the egg-laying process of their fellow spouse. So far, so Darwinian: Life is nasty, brutish and short. However, the cooperative threesome is everything Darwin didn’t expect. These females share a nest, mate with each other several times a day, and preen their feathers together. It’s domestic bliss.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... study.html

in the latest study the authors claim the phenomenon is not only widespread but part of a necessary biological adaptation for the survival of the species. They found that on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, almost a third of the Laysan albatross population is raised by pairs of two females because of the shortage of males. Through these 'lesbian' unions, Laysan albatross are flourishing. Their existence had been dwindling before the adaptation was noticed.