Can you question patriotism?

BearMtnHIB wrote:

and people like me say he should be tried and if found guilty shot....or locked away for life........please show me who on the left has called him a patriot

The commie I was watching on Communism now (aka Democracy Now) last night was calling that little twerp a patriot. I think many of you leftists don't even know what's being said by some of your comrades - you should watch the news more often, you might be as discusted with what your "side" is saying.

And that is where your argument breaks down....it's not "my side". People are individuals, they have independent thoughts, yet you want to lump us all in together. I hear righties here complain that the left lumps them in with those christians who picket veterams funerals, or kill abortion doctors, or cheat on their wives etc, etc, etc.....but then you go and do it and it's OK. This nation will never come together as long as we creat artificial divides by judging one person by the actions of another who happens to share the same political party.

Why is it necessary to judge how others love their country? Love takes many different forms as does patriotism, to presume to judge someone elses patriotism based on your own prejudices is just wrong.

It's necessary because so many people mask their hate for this country - how it came to be - and what makes it great - with the word patriot.

If you had any respect for those who gave their blood to defend her - if you had the same understanding as I do for the values and morals that built this country into the greatest on earth - you would know that socialism is exactly what those patriots were fighting against.

how dare you decide who I respect and who I don't, or claim you have some sortt of special understanding that I don't. Talk about elitist thinking......I come from a long line of military....and my daughter is currently part of the government disaster and emergency medical team....possibly on her way to Japan.

You wouldn't understand - you have a closed mind. What the left advocates for - is the distruction of what has been built by the people who were patriots. Don't try to re-define it - we know what a patriot really is.

"we"? just who is this "we" who decides who is a good American and who is not????? You??????

If you advocate for socialism - you do not love this country - you just love the real estate. You just like the standard of living that the free market has created for you - but you hate the system and the values that got us there. You don't love those who fought to create a free society, your political views taken to their ultimate result would enslave us with more government and taxes and tyranny - not liberty.

Oh and I do consider a majority of the tickets our cops are giving out to be pure revevue collection - with the law as a backdrop to cover their ingenuousness. I do consider the majority of our teachers are doing a lousy job - serving their own interests while claiming to be doing it for the children. I can see this to be truth by observing the overall results.

You see what you want to see.....and that is not truth.

Each individual teacher and cop knows in their heart if they are doing the right thing - or just performing as an agent of a bad system. The bad ones won't tell us if they are bad - that's part of the fraud. Every bad cop will lie - every bad teacher says it's not them, but collectively we all see the results.

And it takes substantial numbers of bad ones to get the results we have now.

Then why aren't more conservatives becoming teachers? Don't whine about it, change it.....or are conservatives incapable of teaching? I would say that may be true if the conservative idea of teaching is to ram something down peoples throats, and if they don't swallow it call them unAmerican, unpatriotic, and a fraud. yeah that's how to win the hearts and minds of children.

I do find it amusing you think the traffic cop is a bad cop, usually they are the new cops, they don't just give a rookie a gun, put him/her on the street, then say "go get the bad guys". I will agree on one thing.....,the bad ones won't tell us they are bad (duh!), that holds true for conservatives. They won't tell us how bad they are, they try to tell us how bad we are.......nice deflection.

curiosity question.....do you really believe we should not ticket people for traffic violations? Would that not be encouraging people to break the law, not to mention putting other people's lives at risk, allowing drunk drivers to menace our roads......sounds like anarchy to me.

Hey Archer,

There are conservative teachers...they just don't teach at public unionized schools....they teach at private schools....or teach their own children at home.

residenttroll wrote: Hey Archer,

There are conservative teachers...they just don't teach at public unionized schools....they teach at private schools....or teach their own children at home.

I know a couple of very conservative teachers in public unionized schools that would be damned surprised to hear that they don't exist.

towermonkey wrote:

residenttroll wrote: Hey Archer,

There are conservative teachers...they just don't teach at public unionized schools....they teach at private schools....or teach their own children at home.

I know a couple of very conservative teachers in public unionized schools that would be damned surprised to hear that they don't exist.

I stand corrected. Yes, there are conservative teachers in the unionized public schools....

Hey Archer,

I'm just a working stiff - not an elitist.

Why don't you join me and watch channel 12 tonight- watch the democracy now show- I think it comes on at 6pm. You can see there what the left is saying, the right is not saying those things. We may have a few nut cases on the right, but they are not making the news every night and drilling the same socialist agenda. Just watch.

Yes I think there is overwhelming evidence that our police are being used as revenue collection agents for our local governments. I know you are trying to spin this like I don't want to enforce traffic law - tickets should be given to those who are a danger on the road. But the number of tickets per thousand drivers has been stedily increasing over the years. The fines have been doubled - and tripled again for minor violations - I'm talking about the 1-10mph type tickets. At the same time - a larger percentage of our police have been assigned to the task of issuing more minor tickets. The number of police cars on the road has also increased - to 4 or 5 times as many cops per thousand cars on the road.

We don't have more people speeding now than we did 20 years ago, just more cops and more tickets - and jane and joe commuter now finds themselves the target. These people are not a danger on the road - they are just trying to get back to work each day. At the same time - 80% of robbery and murders go unsolved. 70% of burgulary goes unsolved. If you get a car stolen or get robbed in a place like Denver - good luck even trying to get a cop to respond to take a report- they will direct you to a web site where you can file a complaint.

A cop car can easily nail 20-30 typical commuters each day for a 1-10mpg violation that costs the commuter 150-200 bucks. 150x20=$3,000/day. This means that in 365 days, one traffic unit can collect $1,095,000.00 per year- 1 million 1 hundred grand! No wonder 80% of murders go unsolved when each cop car mints a million a year giving out traffic tickets! Those are conservative numbers.

Why - because a vast majority of the resources have been assigned to revenue collection tasks instead of fighting real crime. That's the truth. Just so you know - I have not had a ticket in about 10 years, but I'm at risk like the rest of us driving to work and back everyday.

BearMtnHIB wrote: Hey Archer,

I'm just a working stiff - not an elitist.

Why don't you join me and watch channel 12 tonight- watch the democracy now show- I think it comes on at 6pm. You can see there what the left is saying, the right is not saying those things. We may have a few nut cases on the right, but they are not making the news every night and drilling the same socialist agenda. Just watch.

Can't do it....I'm going to the Rockies spring training game,,,,,,to watch them beat the Rangers. I do have my priorities!!!!!!

Yes I think there is overwhelming evidence that our police are being used as revenue collection agents for our local governments. I know you are trying to spin this like I don't want to enforce traffic law - tickets should be given to those who are a danger on the road. But the number of tickets per thousand drivers has been stedily increasing over the years.

It didn't occur to you that maybe the drivers are worse, or conditions are worse....or a whole host of other reasons?

The fines have been doubled - and tripled again for minor violations - I'm talking about the 1-10mph type tickets. At the same time - a larger percentage of our police have been assigned to the task of issuing more minor tickets. The number of police cars on the road has also increased - to 4 or 5 times as many cops per thousand cars on the road.

We don't have more people speeding now than we did 20 years ago, just more cops and more tickets - and jane and joe commuter now finds themselves the target. These people are not a danger on the road - they are just trying to get back to work each day. At the same time - 80% of robbery and murders go unsolved. 70% of burgulary goes unsolved. If you get a car stolen or get robbed in a place like Denver - good luck even trying to get a cop to respond to take a report- they will direct you to a web site where you can file a complaint.

Why - because a vast majority of the resources have been assigned to revenue collection tasks instead of fighting real crime. That's the truth. Just so you know - I have not had a ticket in about 10 years, but I'm at risk like the rest of us driving to work and back everyday.

As well you should be....we are all at risk when we get out on the road.....we would be more at risk if people were not afraid of getting a ticket......

I disagree - we should not be afraid to drive to work- police should go after the real problems - and leave the rest of us alone and without fear. I believe most of us to not intend to speed, but most of us do find ourselves doing a few MPH over now and then.

We should not be afraid of our government - they should be afraid of us.

Science Chic wrote: PS, you are a good man for taking on this project. :thumbsup: I worry that it's rather a futile attempt to teach an old dog new tricks, but I applaud your efforts and ask that you please don't let it burn you out! Best of luck - I'll be cheering you on!

Hey CG, is this what you mean by making a meaningful contribution to the thread?

SC if this comment came from a source of consequence it might be worthy of consideration.

I've got no problem with cops and speeding tickets. Its those stupid photo-radar contraptions that I have a big problem with. I had a guy fly past me in the slow lane a few months back and saw the flash. I got the damned ticket. Its BS to convict based on faulty equipment with no human common sense involved.

Just pay up towermonkey - your guilty!