LadyJazzer wrote: Until that happens, it's legal and a woman's right to choose trumps your right-to-life hysteria.
And, in point of fact, even if it becomes illegal, it won't stop it... It will just go back to being done in back alleys and private homes, and endangering women's lives. You didn't "control it" before when it was illegal, and you won't control it now.
The back alleys is where it belongs, being done by the sleazy hacks (& would-be doctors), being done for the evil, selfish, monsters who would have made horrific mothers. It will be returned to the status of being punishable by law, a shameful, disgusting act of murder.
Why would you want "monsters who would make horrific mothers" moving forward with having a child?
Here is the problem. Making a joke and not taking this as a very, very , very serious issue. For or against, pretending it is nothing is the problem and I see that as a cultural issue. I know we just can't make it illegal. Not because it should be legal but because that won't make it any easier but the attitude sickens me.
Instead of the standard 'it is the woman's right' give me an answer about how you feel inside about it. What do you FEEL when you hear about a friend having an abortion. Are you taking a stance to be against the republicans? Or do you think of a helpless child without a voice? Until people can get past their bias, prejudices they won't see this as what it really is. Think of it as a person. Maybe go view an abortion and see if you feel the same way. Don't say anything until you really do the work of research.
I know I said this before but if wombs had windows there would be no abortion.
CinnamonGirl wrote: Instead of the standard 'it is the woman's right' give me an answer about how you feel inside about it. What do you FEEL when you hear about a friend having an abortion. Are you taking a stance to be against the republicans? Or do you think of a helpless child without a voice? Until people can get past their bias, prejudices they won't see this as what it really is. Think of it as a person. Maybe go view an abortion and see if you feel the same way. Don't say anything until you really do the work of research.
I know I said this before but if wombs had windows there would be no abortion.
Sorry just had to say it.
I feel that it must have been an awful dilemma to have to make that choice. And since I am rarely given the circumstances under which that decision was made, and I haven't walked a mile in their shoes, it's NONE OF MY FRIGGIN' BUSINESS, and NEITHER IS IT YOURS. Not all abortions are a backup method of birth-control, but whether they are or not, the answer is: NO...I don't think of a "helpless child"...I think of it as a clump of cells that were removed, and it's none of my business.
And if "Men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." Sorry, had to say it.
Jon Kyl Is Sorry If He Gave Anyone The Impression That The Things He Says In Public Are Factual
As you may recall, during today's lengthy Pap Smear Armageddon/Government Shutdown 2011 pageant play, Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) stood on the floor of the upper chamber, telling the C-Span cameras and gathered attendees that abortion was "well over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does."
That prompted many people to remark, "Uhm, actually, you have got those statistics just about as wrong as you possibly could."
But now, Kyl's office has walked back the statement, in perhaps the most hilarious and cowardly way possible. Let's kick this over to Alex Seitz-Wald, at ThinkProgress:
This afternoon, CNN brought on Planned Parenthood's Judy Tabar to discuss his comment. During the interview, CNN anchor Don Lemon relayed a statement from Kyl's office walking back the comment, claiming the statement was not meant to be "factual":
LEMON: We did call his office trying to ask what he was talking about there. And I just want to give it you verbatim here. It says, 'his remark was not intended to be a factual statement, but rather to illustrate that Planned Parenthood, a organization that receives millions of dollars in taxpayer funding, does subsidize abortions.'
Oh, ha ha, did you think that the things Kyl says aloud on television that go into the Congressional Record and that he attaches his name to are meant to be some sort of true facts or something? Well, the joke's on you, because sometimes, Jon Kyl just likes to spit straight verbal nonsense at you to "illustrate" things that he wishes were true, but aren't.
The actual number is 3%, and it's STILL not paid for with taxpayer dollars...That would be illegal.
NO...I don't think of a "helpless child"...I think of it as a clump of cells that were removed
I say this as respectfully as I can. WOW. I know you are not the only one that feels this way but two things. Have you ever seen the "clump of cells" after being aborted? And you know that this 'clump of cells" moves around at that age?
There are many things in society that are none of my business. I am not suggesting we make abortion illegal only because I just think it will make the problem worse by causing desperate women to do this illegally but this is a societal problem and while we let it be legal that does not mean we should encourage it. We would have less abortions if we took it seriously and tell women what they are in for and the truth about what they are doing. Finding out after the fact is irresponsible.
Culture and society deciding this is not the cure all and that a child is not a "clump of cells" is the answer here. And I will tell you what the lawmakers and politics of 'tit for tat' and using abortion to get elected makes me sick. Using the "this politician is forcing women that have been raped to have a baby" is deplorable. The percentages of that situation is tiny. That is not what we are talking about here.
If wombs had windows there would be no abortion. Please think about that. It would not be a clump of cells.
I've see the bloody pictures that the wingnuts hold up at rallies, and outside of clinics... Was that supposed to sway me?
So, I'll say this as respectfully as I can, someone else's choice, based on whatever reason they felt compelled to make it, is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS....And it is her RIGHT to do so. If it bothers you that much, go adopt something. If you think you're going to appeal some part of me that doesn't believe that, you have me confused with someone else...And you merely point out one of the main reasons I quit being a Republican...They are for "small, non-intrusive government"--unless it's everybody else's bedrooms or wombs.
You don't like abortion? Don't have one. Otherwise, it's none of your business.
And if "Men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."
