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02 Feb 2012 10:59 #101 by PrintSmith
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

The powers not delegated to the United States.....

Oh yes, these founding documents certainly establish that there is only a single sovereign state and that I am equally a citizen of the State of New York as I am a citizen of Colorado. I've got news for you which might actually come as a surprise to you. When you delegate your authority to someone else you have given them the power to act as your representative. What you haven't done is surrender the authority you possess. The federal government has delegated powers, which is clearly established in the 10th Amendment; there is simply no other reasoned conclusion that can be reached. The Declaration of Independence does not say, "That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be a Free and Independent State, it says, "That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States". Free and independent States, plural, not State, singular. Nothing enacted since that time establishes anything different and much enacted since that time, including the constitution for the State of Colorado (Article 2, Section 2) which was accepted by the general Congress of the United States, reaffirms that such is the case.

You can pretend that we are a single nation with a single, central government endowed with limitless power to govern - but that is not the government that the Constitution established. It may be the government you wish to have, are working to have, but it is not the government that you do have.

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02 Feb 2012 12:11 #102 by Reverend Revelant

PrintSmith wrote: The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

The powers not delegated to the United States.....

Oh yes, these founding documents certainly establish that there is only a single sovereign state and that I am equally a citizen of the State of New York as I am a citizen of Colorado. I've got news for you which might actually come as a surprise to you. When you delegate your authority to someone else you have given them the power to act as your representative. What you haven't done is surrender the authority you possess. The federal government has delegated powers, which is clearly established in the 10th Amendment; there is simply no other reasoned conclusion that can be reached. The Declaration of Independence does not say, "That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be a Free and Independent State, it says, "That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States". Free and independent States, plural, not State, singular. Nothing enacted since that time establishes anything different and much enacted since that time, including the constitution for the State of Colorado (Article 2, Section 2) which was accepted by the general Congress of the United States, reaffirms that such is the case.

You can pretend that we are a single nation with a single, central government endowed with limitless power to govern - but that is not the government that the Constitution established. It may be the government you wish to have, are working to have, but it is not the government that you do have.


Lady Jazzer sometimes has trouble keeping her Marxist ideology straight with the American Constitution and other founding documents. I can sympathize with her... it's hard to keep all that socialist stuff separate from true liberty and freedom. It rots the brain.

Waiting for Armageddon since 33 AD

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02 Feb 2012 14:11 #103 by PrintSmith
If it were only LJ that was having the trouble, we would not now be in the situation that we are in. Unfortunately for the republic, there are many others who have similar trouble understanding that all of the powers of the federal government are delegated powers, and it has been our misfortune that a fair number of them, from both parties, seemed to have found their way into the Oval Office, the general Congress and seated as judges in our courts over the course of the last century or so on a fairly regular and continuing basis.

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02 Feb 2012 15:05 #104 by LadyJazzer
Poor baby...Just doesn't understand that there have been 17 more Amendments to the Constitution, and 250+ years of settle SCOTUS law, and we don't live in a Federalist society any more...

God, I love it when you go bat-sh*t-crazy, and go into your fantasy world...

Enjoy...

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02 Feb 2012 15:31 #105 by PrintSmith
Funny thing about that 250+ years of settled SCOTUS law - all of it says that the States are sovereign and that power has been delegated to the United States, just like the 10th Amendment does.

If you need still more examples, one of my favorites - Amendment 13:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

One would think the authors of the amendment knew the difference between singular and plural pronouns and that they used the proper one when drafting the language. More evidence you say? Why, there's the 11th, 12th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 26th Amendments which all refer to the States as independent entities from the United States. Why, even the name, the United States of America, is plural and not singular.

Sorry dearie - you'll have to go outside of the Constitution as amended and SCOTUS rulings if you are looking for something that says this is the United State of America instead of the United States of America.

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02 Feb 2012 15:32 #106 by Rick
I just love it when LJ gets schooled.

It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy

George Orwell

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02 Feb 2012 15:45 #107 by Martin Ent Inc
It's a sad and lonely old song.

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02 Feb 2012 16:55 #108 by archer
So bill and martin...do those comments mean that you agree with PrintSmith and wont recite the part of the Pledge of Allegiance that says One nation under God? Or were you just taking any opportunity to bash LJ?

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02 Feb 2012 17:11 #109 by PrintSmith
Nice to see you again archer - still think, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that this is a single country?

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02 Feb 2012 17:16 #110 by LadyJazzer
Sorry, dearie...(you can start by taking your condescending bullsh*t and shoving it up your ass...)... But the language of the original amendments, taken in a vacuum and alone, means nothing. What is important is how the amendments have been interpreted by the courts in the intervening years. And you haven't "schooled me" in anything except how out of touch with reality you are. I frankly don't give a flying f**k, and you can take your Jeffersonian/18th-century crap and shove that too...

The more you post that Sovereign Citizen/Libertarian culture-of-greed hogwash, the more you prove you are delusional.

But, y'all have fun, now, h'hear?

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