All you gun nuts are stained by this

jf1acai wrote: I am very saddened by this tragedy, and feel deeply for all those involved.

I wish that those who gave their lives to save innocent children had been allowed to do more, and that the perpetrator had not been encouraged by knowing that this was a gun free zone, so that he would not face significant resistance.

I do not know how to eliminate these situations, or even if there is a way to do so.

I am reasonably certain that snarky posts on a message board do not help. I appreciate posts that bring forward new ideas for consideration, and an open and respectful discussion.

I wish that those who gave their lives to save innocent children had been allowed to do more, and that the perpetrator had not been encouraged by knowing that this was a gun free zone, so that he would not face significant resistance.

Science Chic wrote: Please, do point out where I've "made fun of Creationists" or "forced them to believe what I believe" - now you are making generalizations and assumptions. If they want to believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, despite empirical, proven data, there's nothing I can do about that - they are more than allowed to do so. What they are NOT allowed to do, is to wrap it up in the guise of "alternative theories of science" and use it to push their religion in science education when it's not science. I don't get how that's "picking and choosing what can and can't be allowed". Of course Creationism is allowed - it's just not allowed in school per government guidelines. Do we teach English in chemistry class? No. Do we teach underwater basket weaving in Biology 101? No. It's common sense of what belongs where CG. And that's not about stomping on anyone's rights at all.

Let's explore this "values in religion that teach people not to kill". You do not have to be religious, or even spiritual, in order to be a decent human being . Religion is not the be-all, end-all of morality, as evidenced by the fact that not all criminals are atheists and not all atheists are criminals. Islam teaches not to kill, Christianity too - has that stopped them throughout the ages of warring against other groups because of their religion and using it to justifying murder? Nope. My biggest problem with religion is its hypocrisy. Love thy neighbor, except if he's different from you (e.g. gay, Jewish, brown-eyed, whatever) and then its okay to hate them, objectify them, or worse. No, I don't hate Christians, or anyone for that matter, but I do detest using Christianity, or any religion, as a justification for reprehensible behaviors or to push hidden agendas where it's totally inappropriate to do so. And do I think that all Christians are like that? Of course not. But since you are making generalized, broad-brushed assumptions about how I've spoken about Creationists I felt the need to point that out.

CinnamonGirl wrote: First, I was not talking to you directly I was speaking as a group and this is not about specifics. What we all should do to fix the controversy is to teach both as theories or leave them both out. You want your way and you said you think it is based on science. Others don't agree with you but you still want your way on this. That is my point.

akilina wrote: It is time to have armed security or teachers armed, carrying concealed or open as they do in Israel, in the schools in villages of Ecuador, and in a school district in Texas.

akilina wrote: As long as there are crazy people, there need to be people who can defend against them. How many more deaths at schools in the U.S.A. and elsewhere have to happen before we get real?