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But if you'll recall, not all the boys were prone to violence, even when many turned to it.Blazer Bob wrote:
Rick wrote: [I don't believe it's "the nature of humans". I believe it's the nature of some humans. Most of us can't imagine using violence to settle our disputes in real life unless our security or someone we care about is threatened. But there are those people from the lowest to the highest levels of power who have no issue with using terror and violence to achieve their goals. Unless those people can somehow be eliminated, there will aways be a need for war, for cops, and for personal protection.
I believe you are wrong. It is only the affluence of our society that breeds and nurtures such pollyannish thoughts.
You and I might be the only truly civilized men in Colorado and I am not too sure about you.
This is not an expression of my cynicism or caveman background. It is or used to be an acknowledgment of human nature.
I would refer you to "Lord of the Flies" by William Golding except the first page of a google search indicates there is more interest in cliff notes and cheating the professor that actually reading and contemplating the meaning of the book.
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chickaree wrote: People like to use the excuse that they are helpless in the face of biological urges. That is why they cheat, are fat, drink to excess, are violent or steal. I don't buy it. People that indulge in these vices are morally weak. Don't hand me your lame excuses, I'm not buying them.
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If instead of trying to master them they throw up their hands and declare themselves helpless? Yes.FredHayek wrote:
chickaree wrote: People like to use the excuse that they are helpless in the face of biological urges. That is why they cheat, are fat, drink to excess, are violent or steal. I don't buy it. People that indulge in these vices are morally weak. Don't hand me your lame excuses, I'm not buying them.
Or just have stronger urges in some areas? I had no trouble at all giving up smoking but some other vices are very hard to shake. Just like some people are much more prone to anger than others? Does it make them morally weak?
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chickaree wrote: People like to use the excuse that they are helpless in the face of biological urges. That is why they cheat, are fat, drink to excess, are violent or steal. I don't buy it. People that indulge in these vices are morally weak. Don't hand me your lame excuses, I'm not buying them.
I don't believe war or violence is a necessity at all. It is an artifact of our past that we are well able to release when we are ready. We are not slaves to our baser selves. We can choose.
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The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:
chickaree wrote: People like to use the excuse that they are helpless in the face of biological urges. That is why they cheat, are fat, drink to excess, are violent or steal. I don't buy it. People that indulge in these vices are morally weak. Don't hand me your lame excuses, I'm not buying them.
But that is not the question at hand... you said...
I don't believe war or violence is a necessity at all. It is an artifact of our past that we are well able to release when we are ready. We are not slaves to our baser selves. We can choose.
What do you do with people that choose violence?
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chickaree wrote:
The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:
chickaree wrote: People like to use the excuse that they are helpless in the face of biological urges. That is why they cheat, are fat, drink to excess, are violent or steal. I don't buy it. People that indulge in these vices are morally weak. Don't hand me your lame excuses, I'm not buying them.
But that is not the question at hand... you said...
I don't believe war or violence is a necessity at all. It is an artifact of our past that we are well able to release when we are ready. We are not slaves to our baser selves. We can choose.
What do you do with people that choose violence?
I would advocate life imprisonment. Jesus teaches us against violence, so I am pro-life in all instances including capital punishment. Sometimes, like in the case of the Newtown shootings or this bombing my heart becomes wrathful and I wish to see the perpetrators dead; but it is not my place to punish. It is my job and the job of all of us to protect innocents from those who would victimize.
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We need to arrest and imprison Kim Jung Un asap. (and all the wackos in Iran, Egypt, Syria....)The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:
chickaree wrote:
The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:
chickaree wrote: People like to use the excuse that they are helpless in the face of biological urges. That is why they cheat, are fat, drink to excess, are violent or steal. I don't buy it. People that indulge in these vices are morally weak. Don't hand me your lame excuses, I'm not buying them.
But that is not the question at hand... you said...
I don't believe war or violence is a necessity at all. It is an artifact of our past that we are well able to release when we are ready. We are not slaves to our baser selves. We can choose.
What do you do with people that choose violence?
I would advocate life imprisonment. Jesus teaches us against violence, so I am pro-life in all instances including capital punishment. Sometimes, like in the case of the Newtown shootings or this bombing my heart becomes wrathful and I wish to see the perpetrators dead; but it is not my place to punish. It is my job and the job of all of us to protect innocents from those who would victimize.
How about when a country (or at least their military) chooses violence... such as Nazi Germany... arrest them all and life imprisonment... or stop them forcefully?
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