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Vote no on 4A
16 Oct 2013 18:58 - 17 Oct 2013 05:55 #264
by Grady
Replied by Grady on topic Vote no on 4A
Look who is putting up the $$$$$ for Elk Creek's tax increase request.
9/12/2013 Monetary (Itemized) SHARON TRILK
LAKEWOOD, CO 80228 SELF EMPLOYED-MY MOUNTAIN TOWN WEBSITE
General Business - SHE RUNS A COMMUNITY WEBSITE $138.65 $138.65
9/11/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIREFIGHTER & EMERGENCY SERVICE ASSOCIATION PO BOX 607
CONIFER, CO 80433
$3,500.00 DONATION FROM A 501 3C TAX EXEMPT CHARITABLE ORGA...
8/14/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIRE FIGHTERS ASSOCIATOIN LOCAL 4710 PO BOX 4710
CONIFER, CO 80433
$1,500.00 $1,500.00
Sorry about the formatting, I copied and pasted from the SOS Tracer site
So we have 2 unions and non property owner pushing at tax increase.
9/12/2013 Monetary (Itemized) SHARON TRILK
LAKEWOOD, CO 80228 SELF EMPLOYED-MY MOUNTAIN TOWN WEBSITE
General Business - SHE RUNS A COMMUNITY WEBSITE $138.65 $138.65
9/11/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIREFIGHTER & EMERGENCY SERVICE ASSOCIATION PO BOX 607
CONIFER, CO 80433
$3,500.00 DONATION FROM A 501 3C TAX EXEMPT CHARITABLE ORGA...
8/14/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIRE FIGHTERS ASSOCIATOIN LOCAL 4710 PO BOX 4710
CONIFER, CO 80433
$1,500.00 $1,500.00
Sorry about the formatting, I copied and pasted from the SOS Tracer site
So we have 2 unions and non property owner pushing at tax increase.
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16 Oct 2013 19:11 #265
by Reverend Revelant
And who financed the opposition? (I really don't know the answer).
Waiting for Armageddon since 33 AD
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Grady wrote: Look who is putting up the $$$$$ for Elk Creek's tax increase request.
9/12/2013 Monetary (Itemized) SHARON TRILK *** ********** **
LAKEWOOD, CO 80228 SELF EMPLOYED-MY MOUNTAIN TOWN WEBSITE
General Business - SHE RUNS A COMMUNITY WEBSITE $138.65 $138.65
9/11/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIREFIGHTER & EMERGENCY SERVICE ASSOCIATION PO BOX 607
CONIFER, CO 80433
$3,500.00 DONATION FROM A 501 3C TAX EXEMPT CHARITABLE ORGA...
8/14/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIRE FIGHTERS ASSOCIATOIN LOCAL 4710 PO BOX 4710
CONIFER, CO 80433
$1,500.00 $1,500.00
Sorry about the formatting, I copied and pasted from the SOS Tracer site
So we have 2 unions and non property owner pushing at tax increase.
And who financed the opposition? (I really don't know the answer).
Waiting for Armageddon since 33 AD
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16 Oct 2013 19:13 #266
by jf1acai
Experience enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again - Jeanne Pincha-Tulley
Comprehensive is Latin for there is lots of bad stuff in it - Trey Gowdy
Replied by jf1acai on topic Vote no on 4A
Kudos to SC for putting her $ where her mouth is.
Experience enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again - Jeanne Pincha-Tulley
Comprehensive is Latin for there is lots of bad stuff in it - Trey Gowdy
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16 Oct 2013 21:33 #267
by Grady
Keep in mind Unions have only one purpose, and it's not fighting for the good of the community.
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Is there an organized opposition? Have they spent any money?Walter L Newton wrote:
Grady wrote: Look who is putting up the $$$$$ for Elk Creek's tax increase request.
9/12/2013 Monetary (Itemized) SHARON TRILK *** *********** **
LAKEWOOD, CO 80228 SELF EMPLOYED-MY MOUNTAIN TOWN WEBSITE
General Business - SHE RUNS A COMMUNITY WEBSITE $138.65 $138.65
9/11/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIREFIGHTER & EMERGENCY SERVICE ASSOCIATION PO BOX 607
CONIFER, CO 80433
$3,500.00 DONATION FROM A 501 3C TAX EXEMPT CHARITABLE ORGA...
8/14/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIRE FIGHTERS ASSOCIATOIN LOCAL 4710 PO BOX 4710
CONIFER, CO 80433
$1,500.00 $1,500.00
Sorry about the formatting, I copied and pasted from the SOS Tracer site
So we have 2 unions and non property owner pushing at tax increase.
And who financed the opposition? (I really don't know the answer).
Keep in mind Unions have only one purpose, and it's not fighting for the good of the community.
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16 Oct 2013 22:32 #268
by ScienceChic
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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Dude, I understand that my address is easily found through public records, but posting it on the forums? Seriously? Would you like to post pictures of my kids here too, so they're more easily identified? WTF?
Yes, I gave money and many, many hours to FOECF...and I've donated to the fire department itself as well, because even though I don't live in the district anymore, I have an office there, I work there, many of my friends and fellow business owners live and work there, AND IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
You know why the firefighters donated? Because they could really use new gear, and not-outdated trucks. They'd love to have the extra 20 recruits who were turned away from last year's academy class join them so they are covering the district better. They'd love to have EMT training costs covered by the department (can you imagine volunteering for an organization and paying thousands of dollars out of pocket for additional training?).
You wanna know how the opposition rolls?
Oh look, guaranteed lack of transparency! <thumbs up> But, hey, for a mere $50 (or what the owner of a $250,000 house would pay more per year for fire and medical services from this department), you can send your money to this group to help keep this from passing and your department being able to better serve you. And watching your insurance rates go up by 4-5X that amount as well. Yeah, that sounds like a good plan.
And the rest, lies or misrepresentations.
No, the department doesn't have a "spending" problem and it did not violate state law by overspending its appropriated funds - that was an error on the auditors part and it has been re-submitted to the state. Failure to anticipate revenue and expenditures - look at the Budget Comparison Chart posted in the Elk Creek Fire BOD Meeting Videos thread - it's all there and you can see what they've been told they can expect in revenue, and can figure pretty accurately based on past performances what they'll have to spend, barring any unusually large and/or above-normal frequency in-district fires. Just another good reason to have a little extra to put in reserves for that exact situation.
Yes, commercial property owners pay more, but guess how many buildings in ECFPD's district are new enough to actually have been built to "stringent fire codes"?
"Fire codes are so stringent that fire suppression is rarely needed?" Ummm, they do realize that this is the mountains we are talking about, where wildfires have been known to burn 94 sq miles in just over half a day. And how much good do you think "building codes" or even internal sprinklers are gonna do when a fire is moving 50mph and blasting off 2,000˚F ahead of it because the departments couldn't contain it when it was small? Did you see the video of Andy Hoover's all-concrete house with fire suppression systems going up in flames and melting to nothing during the LNFF?
Insurance premiums will go up if the department loses its ISO PC5 rating - that has been confirmed with multiple insurance companies. People are already losing their insurance - even those who've been with the same company for 40 years. Insurance companies are just itching to find reasons to not cover homeowners in our area - voting down this mill and preventing the department from replacing out outdated equipment and bringing in more personnel is the excuse they need to jack rates up more, or decline coverage altogether.
No, the Elk Creek Board President is not the President of the Colorado Firefighters Labor Union. What doe that have to do with this mill levy because as has been stated, the one position that will be hired in the next 3 years is not a union position, the board and Chief hope to grow the volunteer numbers, do not plan on turning it into an all-paid union dept, and the current union has no bargaining rights. See the Public Affairs Meeting video for a more detailed explanation, 14:10 minute mark.
"The existing 4.915 mills are 'enough' for a volunteer dept with a few paid people." What's enough, exactly? You betcha that a paid dept will cost more, good thing that's not what's planned. Scare tactics.
Yes, I gave money and many, many hours to FOECF...and I've donated to the fire department itself as well, because even though I don't live in the district anymore, I have an office there, I work there, many of my friends and fellow business owners live and work there, AND IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
You know why the firefighters donated? Because they could really use new gear, and not-outdated trucks. They'd love to have the extra 20 recruits who were turned away from last year's academy class join them so they are covering the district better. They'd love to have EMT training costs covered by the department (can you imagine volunteering for an organization and paying thousands of dollars out of pocket for additional training?).
You wanna know how the opposition rolls?
Oh look, guaranteed lack of transparency! <thumbs up> But, hey, for a mere $50 (or what the owner of a $250,000 house would pay more per year for fire and medical services from this department), you can send your money to this group to help keep this from passing and your department being able to better serve you. And watching your insurance rates go up by 4-5X that amount as well. Yeah, that sounds like a good plan.
And the rest, lies or misrepresentations.
No, the department doesn't have a "spending" problem and it did not violate state law by overspending its appropriated funds - that was an error on the auditors part and it has been re-submitted to the state. Failure to anticipate revenue and expenditures - look at the Budget Comparison Chart posted in the Elk Creek Fire BOD Meeting Videos thread - it's all there and you can see what they've been told they can expect in revenue, and can figure pretty accurately based on past performances what they'll have to spend, barring any unusually large and/or above-normal frequency in-district fires. Just another good reason to have a little extra to put in reserves for that exact situation.
Yes, commercial property owners pay more, but guess how many buildings in ECFPD's district are new enough to actually have been built to "stringent fire codes"?
"Fire codes are so stringent that fire suppression is rarely needed?" Ummm, they do realize that this is the mountains we are talking about, where wildfires have been known to burn 94 sq miles in just over half a day. And how much good do you think "building codes" or even internal sprinklers are gonna do when a fire is moving 50mph and blasting off 2,000˚F ahead of it because the departments couldn't contain it when it was small? Did you see the video of Andy Hoover's all-concrete house with fire suppression systems going up in flames and melting to nothing during the LNFF?
Insurance premiums will go up if the department loses its ISO PC5 rating - that has been confirmed with multiple insurance companies. People are already losing their insurance - even those who've been with the same company for 40 years. Insurance companies are just itching to find reasons to not cover homeowners in our area - voting down this mill and preventing the department from replacing out outdated equipment and bringing in more personnel is the excuse they need to jack rates up more, or decline coverage altogether.
No, the Elk Creek Board President is not the President of the Colorado Firefighters Labor Union. What doe that have to do with this mill levy because as has been stated, the one position that will be hired in the next 3 years is not a union position, the board and Chief hope to grow the volunteer numbers, do not plan on turning it into an all-paid union dept, and the current union has no bargaining rights. See the Public Affairs Meeting video for a more detailed explanation, 14:10 minute mark.
"The existing 4.915 mills are 'enough' for a volunteer dept with a few paid people." What's enough, exactly? You betcha that a paid dept will cost more, good thing that's not what's planned. Scare tactics.
Have you picked up a copy of this week's HTT? There's a postcard insert in all 8,000 from CUT, right next to our 2nd insert. They mailed letters to Conifer PO Boxes/businesses in district a month ago. Yes, they are spending money too.Grady wrote: Is there an organized opposition who has spent any money?
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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17 Oct 2013 05:47 #269
by Kassk20
2 unions really? I see one, the Elk Creek fire and emergency services association is not a union. It is the membership that makes up this dept. Who cares where the money came from, obviously the opoositon doesn't since they are begging the public for money when their big argument is to not ask anymore of the tax payers...humm that doesn't seem right. So, obviously you don't care about the tax payers hard earned money you just care about your agenda. Pretty messed up!!!
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Grady wrote: Look who is putting up the $$$$$ for Elk Creek's tax increase request.
9/12/2013 Monetary (Itemized) SHARON TRILK *** *********** **
LAKEWOOD, CO 80228 SELF EMPLOYED-MY MOUNTAIN TOWN WEBSITE
General Business - SHE RUNS A COMMUNITY WEBSITE $138.65 $138.65
9/11/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIREFIGHTER & EMERGENCY SERVICE ASSOCIATION PO BOX 607
CONIFER, CO 80433
$3,500.00 DONATION FROM A 501 3C TAX EXEMPT CHARITABLE ORGA...
8/14/2013 Monetary (Itemized) ELK CREEK FIRE FIGHTERS ASSOCIATOIN LOCAL 4710 PO BOX 4710
CONIFER, CO 80433
$1,500.00 $1,500.00
Sorry about the formatting, I copied and pasted from the SOS Tracer site
So we have 2 unions and non property owner pushing at tax increase.
2 unions really? I see one, the Elk Creek fire and emergency services association is not a union. It is the membership that makes up this dept. Who cares where the money came from, obviously the opoositon doesn't since they are begging the public for money when their big argument is to not ask anymore of the tax payers...humm that doesn't seem right. So, obviously you don't care about the tax payers hard earned money you just care about your agenda. Pretty messed up!!!
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