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Vote no on 4A
19 Oct 2013 14:37 #294
by Michael_Davis
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19 Oct 2013 17:30 #297
by ScienceChic
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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Not trying to justify anything, or make excuses, just provide a different perspective, but...I think if I were under attack, and felt that the time and effort I'd given to an organization that I loved and sacrificed for wasn't supported by my community, I'd take it as personally as they are too, and be even more upset. I'm guessing this because I know how I'd feel if I saw everyone abandon me after moving 285Bound to MMT, and I would've given up long ago had I not had the support, encouragement, and affirmation I've had from the businesses, nonprofits, and community-at-large.
Keep in mind that those firefighters who have been posting here aren't used to talking with us here on the boards, and likely are uncomfortable not being able to speak in person, and seeing us being as bluntly open and straightforward as you and I are used to being frogger.
Us regulars know each other and are used to how each other post, and have toughened our skins. It can be a steep and difficult learning curve, especially on a contentious issue of which they don't really want to dredge up private dept crap that really should have no bearing on this election issue.
Please let me make clear, I'm not saying that no one's accountable for their words or actions, and that the community doesn't have a right to know the history of what's happened and how that's influenced where the dept stands today because they absolutely do, I'm just hoping that it means that anyone reading here is more understanding before judging and takes it upon themselves to go get the story in person from those directly affected, not second-hand, and gets more involved in this department. A strong community, and nation, is directly related to the level of activity of its citizens (sorry if I sound like I'm on the soap box again, it's just important to me).
Keep in mind that those firefighters who have been posting here aren't used to talking with us here on the boards, and likely are uncomfortable not being able to speak in person, and seeing us being as bluntly open and straightforward as you and I are used to being frogger.
Us regulars know each other and are used to how each other post, and have toughened our skins. It can be a steep and difficult learning curve, especially on a contentious issue of which they don't really want to dredge up private dept crap that really should have no bearing on this election issue.Please let me make clear, I'm not saying that no one's accountable for their words or actions, and that the community doesn't have a right to know the history of what's happened and how that's influenced where the dept stands today because they absolutely do, I'm just hoping that it means that anyone reading here is more understanding before judging and takes it upon themselves to go get the story in person from those directly affected, not second-hand, and gets more involved in this department. A strong community, and nation, is directly related to the level of activity of its citizens (sorry if I sound like I'm on the soap box again, it's just important to me).
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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19 Oct 2013 17:53 #298
by FOS
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As much as I respect your opinion SC, I also believe that the PIO of a Fire District should know better than to come armed with a double barreled shotgun.
As a rule, I hold anyone who "selflessly" serves their community in high regard but when you play dirty and use innuendo and assumptions directed at those who disagree.....you have to stand ready to accept what comes with that.
How many times have you said that to me?
I am in sales and I usually don't walk in the door telling a customer they suck.
As a rule, I hold anyone who "selflessly" serves their community in high regard but when you play dirty and use innuendo and assumptions directed at those who disagree.....you have to stand ready to accept what comes with that.
How many times have you said that to me?
I am in sales and I usually don't walk in the door telling a customer they suck.
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19 Oct 2013 18:11 #299
by ScienceChic
lol
and I am grateful for the education and betterment that I've undergone as a result of your honesty, thank you. And I agree - the facts are what matter, how the leaders of an organization run that organization, and what the organization needs to continue serving the community, not who anyone is or what happened before.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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So that's what I've been doing wrong.frogger wrote: I am in sales and I usually don't walk in the door telling a customer they suck.
lolProbably as many as you've said it to me,As much as I respect your opinion SC, I also believe that the POI of a Fire District should know better than to come armed with a double barreled shotgun.
As a rule, I hold anyone who "selflessly" serves their community in high regard but when you play dirty and use innuendo and assumptions directed at those who disagree.....you have to stand ready to accept what comes with that.
How many times have you said that to me?
and I am grateful for the education and betterment that I've undergone as a result of your honesty, thank you. And I agree - the facts are what matter, how the leaders of an organization run that organization, and what the organization needs to continue serving the community, not who anyone is or what happened before. "Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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