Vote no on 4A

24 Oct 2013 10:55 #451 by Michael_Davis
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Engineer2207 wrote: Kincaid,

So you're admitting that your feelings got hurt, so you're "getting even," right? Once again, I looked at the CPFF website. Again, there isn't any information, other than what you posted at 10:33 p.m. No information on any of your "websites," either for or against 4A. For that matter there isn't any information about the department/union at all.

Maybe you are right-someone else may have filed for those site domains. Maybe even you.

If there is such malfeasance and conflict of interest that you seem so sure of, why don't you contact the major Denver news agencies and tell them of your "facts?" The news loves to report on dirty government agencies


Oh, he won't do that sir. On numerous occasions Walter with the Flume has offered to interview him and give him a chance to air his grievances publicly, but he won't come out from behind the curtain. He prefers to hide back there and shout insults as others pass by.

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24 Oct 2013 11:00 #452 by Michael_Davis
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Did ECFPD overspend the 2012 appropriations by $307,938? If not, by how much?

Is it a violation of Colorado law to spend more than is appropriated?

Is knowingly or willfully spending more than is appropriated malfeasance and punishable by removal from office? See CRS 29-1-115.

The district did not overspend any appropriations. There is a difference between appropriations, which is the legal amount of money the district has available, and a budget, which is a planning document.

We spent more than our budget, but we also brought in more revenue than we had budgeted for. That unanticipated revenue was over $236,000 in revenue from our wildfire program, of which we spent approximately $132,000 on expenses. That left about $104,000 to help fill the gap from declining tax revenues and declining ambulance revenues.

From our audit, “General fund balance remained stable showing a slight decrease of $27,352”. That compared to a decrease in 2011 of $291,431. For 2013, the budget has a planned surplus of $1,790.

The audit shows a “decrease in net position” of $205,104. That reflects depreciation of capital assets of $163,141, the reduction in reserves of $33,966 and a reduction in the volunteer pension fund of $7,997.

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24 Oct 2013 11:02 #453 by Michael_Davis
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Funding

The primary source of funding for the ECFPD comes from the county mill levy tax on assessed real estate, ambulance charges, and reimbursement from the federal government for apparatus (trucks) and personnel loaned to fight large wildfires outside the district. Grants are sought, but generally a very small part of the budget.

Elk Creek FPD has the lowest tax levy [4.915 mills] of all Fire Protection Districts in Jefferson County and is among the lowest in Colorado.

The owner of a $336,000 house is presently assessed $131.45 a year for JEFFCO taxes. If a proposed 2.5 mill levy increase is voted in, the same homeowner would be assessed a total of $198.31 annually [that’s an additional $5.57 a month].

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24 Oct 2013 11:07 #454 by Michael_Davis
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Find out More

Elk Creek Fire Protection District Head Quarters is Station 1, 11993 Blackfoot Rd Conifer, CO 80433. That's at Richmond Hill Road exit & US Highway 285

Fire Chief Bill McLaughlin, Administrative Office: 303-816-9385

Website: http://www.elkcreekfire.org/ECFD/Welcome.html

Numerous public information brochures on fire dangers and fire mitigation are available in the lobby.

Elk Creek Fire Protection Board holds an open public meeting the 2nd Thursday each month, 6pm at Station 1.

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24 Oct 2013 11:14 #455 by Michael_Davis
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24 Oct 2013 13:12 - 24 Oct 2013 13:35 #456 by Kassk20
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WindPeak wrote: Already discussed several times. Even if the trucks are totally replaced or parts purchased ISO is going to go up anyway. The Chief said that.
What can they cut? Chief McLaughlin for a start. Michael Davis for a second even though he is a volunteer. Get some decent leadership in there instead of all the animosity that is going on. Replace parts rather than new trucks. Some proper training instead of monkeying around. Have them regain the confidence of the taxpayers in the ECFD and learn how to manage what they have.


I'm not sure where you are getting your info, you have made it obvious that you aren't currently a part of ECFD, and I think it's a safe guess to say that you don't come to the numerous community events we are at. As someone who is currently part of ECFD I can assure those reading this that the current ECFD is a very cohesive group that works really well together. We also value our leadership, all of our officers(including chief McLaughlin) are a wealth of knowledge and very good at what they do. The dept made this clear when the majority of us signed a letter showing our support for the chief that was read at a previous board meeting. The current ECFD is nothing like the old bickering split ECFD that it sounds like you are referring to, after getting rid of the bad apples this dept works very well together and trust our leaders. I can also assure you that we don't horse around on scene, do we have fun, yes, when we are hanging out at the station or out together, this is how you build strong bonds together.

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24 Oct 2013 13:29 #457 by ZenTree
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Engineer2207 wrote: Kincaid,

So you're admitting that your feelings got hurt, so you're "getting even," right? Once again, I looked at the CPFF website. Again, there isn't any information, other than what you posted at 10:33 p.m. No information on any of your "websites," either for or against 4A. For that matter there isn't any information about the department/union at all.

Maybe you are right-someone else may have filed for those site domains. Maybe even you.

If there is such malfeasance and conflict of interest that you seem so sure of, why don't you contact the major Denver news agencies and tell them of your "facts?" The news loves to report on dirty government agencies


Yea. Come on out of the closet KincaidSprings. Aren't you proud of your "service" to the community?

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24 Oct 2013 14:11 #458 by GO UNION
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It's funny that MD started the rumor kincnaid is Dolan without an ounce of evidence, and the weak sheep believe and do everything they're told!

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24 Oct 2013 14:14 #459 by Grady
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Michael_Davis wrote:

Engineer2207 wrote: I think that if you really want accurate records, you should try: http://jeffco.us/ats/addresssearch.do


Yes sir, you are correct. The Jefferson County Assessor's Office is the only place to get accurate, relevant information. And that is where all our property valuation and tax revenue projections come from.


Yes the Jeffco website has the current assessed property values, we all know that. My post was questioning Michael Davis's flat out statement that

Michael_Davis wrote: Decreased Revenue – Property tax revenues for the fire district have fallen 10% over the past two years and are going to drop at least 4% to 6% again for 2014 and 2015


Please show me where on the Jeffco site do they offer "projections" in fact

Records Disclaimer:
Jefferson County makes every effort to produce and publish the most current and accurate property information possible. This information is prepared as an ongoing commitment to the public to provide quality and up-to-date information.

from the Jeffco site.

As I said above, if it's common knowledge that property values are going to drop why the hell would anyone buy property? Wait a couple of years and save yourself a cool $30K on that $300K house. History shows us that after every drop, property values return to their former values and continue to climb in short order.

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24 Oct 2013 14:15 #460 by Michael_Davis
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[center:3vmztrb6]Meet the Elk Creek Fire Academy 2013 Graduating Class

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This was one of the largest classes Elk Creek Fire Academy has ever had. We started with 40+ applicants who wanted to volunteer and become members of Elk Creek Fire. We couldn't take them all, so we selected the best and the brightest.

It took every piece of gear we had to outfit these volunteers. That's why there won't be a class of 2014. We don't have enough equipment to take on any more volunteer firefighters.

These are the volunteer firefighters that KincaidSprings and his “hiddie hole gang” are bashing. They're young and old. Male and female. Some live in district, some have to commute to serve, but they all have one thing in common: They are dedicated to serving the citizens of the Elk Creek Fire Protection District.

On any given day you’ll find these volunteers working at the station and running emergency calls. Chances are, if you or a family member has needed help in the last year, you’ve meet some of these folks.

So as you read the terrible things that have been said about these good people, look into their faces and tell me if you see the monsters and malcontents KincaidSprings would have you believe inhabit our fire stations.

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