CITIZENS for REFORM OF PARK

PrintSmith wrote: Given the fall in values due to the foreclosures, I'm pretty certain you'd wind up with some cash in your pocket, or your 401K, and lower property taxes, by making the decision to join us at 8700 ft above sea level. You wouldn't believe the views a couple of them have off of their decks. I'll even be a nice neighbor and blow the snow off the driveway during the winter. All in all, it's a good neighborhood to live in and I like the prospect of a known commodity better than the luck of the draw as far as neighbors are concerned. I can even give you the inside scoop on a couple of the properties so that you'd be negotiating price from a stronger position. I might even go so far as to promise not to discuss politics with you - but I'd have to think about that a little more first. Wouldn't want to make you a promise I wasn't able to keep after all.

and lets not forget all the barking dogs, bad roads and notoriously bad wells if you are talking about burland and the pleasure of getting arrested for no reason. but the views are nice.

Oh, I have a nice view now... I can see Pikes Peak from my deck, and I have a yard full of aspens and blue spruces... No need to find anything different. (And I have my own set of "barking dogs"...but they only bark when I'm about to feed them.)

Failure is absulutely an option...

Wasting time trying to do the right thing for one's self and others whom one cares about or even sometimes believe the same thing have taken the drive from many a person....in fact I am often accused of tiliting a windmills here, at this point, this concept takes the cake, no matter how much I may agree with the fundimental concept.

Just from the basic stats....all of those absolutely useless polls that were on this board (useless because they were did not predict a damn thing), all the comments, from me, from anyone. This is like an ant climbing mount everest, but starting on Mars.

At this point I am absulutely positively absitively posituly sure that you are wasting your time with this. This in no way means that I do not agree with much sentiment here or would even take many subject 10x higher. I am a conservative that usually makes conservates feel quite liberal. In fact that is park county in a nutshell, on average, not conservative at all. There is a good chance that I want change more than anyone. I simply assume that everyone's ID on this board has already been associated with one's name and address. And any past, future or current actions will do more harm than good.

If the citizens of park county that really want change, I now think the best way to get it is to take one's body and move it to an entirely different place, then start normal life activities, such as work, school, raising kids in the like....all the park county issues will no longer effect you, because you are now 100's or 1000's of miles form here. I believe this is the only way to get what you want. Park county is beautiful, some people in Park county are nice, but overall your neighbors think you are an idoit (look at the numbers) and you really don't fit in at all. Given there are many more beautiful places and many much better locall govts. why stay when you will really make no change even if this movement is as successfull as it could be.

I can gaurantee sucess if you move. I will bet any of you your home that in 5 years, Park county will only look worse and any of you that have stayed will feel that you absulutely wasted the last 5+ years of your life when you could have lived in a place where there was small govt. had mutual respect, and a non police state. Chances are colorado is no longer a practical option for those that want a simple life and some basic rights, those days are over. Please come back and read this in 5 years. If I even really think about Park county in 5 years, I will bump this back up...if 285 has not been shut down by the powers that be.

It is not about cooperation, that only works in sesame street world, it is about there way or the highway. In this case you guys are choosing to uselessly fight our way, when the highway can take you anywere.

None of you know how much it pains me to write this, to actually give up, I rarely if ever do.

I have now. You are absuletly wasting your time, your love, your passion....all the effort you can put into things that could make your life better. This movement will do just the opposite.

My park county experience has taken countless years from my life and a significant part of the wealth I managed to accumulate previously. What a waste. All this so I could move to one of the most liberal places I have ever been, ironically full of people who claim to be conservative. One this is clear, what Park and CO lack is both culture and respect. We are not cowboys, we are for the most part not ranchers, CO if full of suburbanites except a few, who want massive systems, spending, laws and most of all your money so that they (you, them, whatever) don't have to work. We make very little except public buildings, have few resources that can be utilized by the masses except views and very few can many money off the views when the taxes and related values exceed the allowable profits within the system.

My group will be called "Citizens for Moving from the Park" or CMP not to be confused with the CMP. We will be meeting all over the country, even the world, in those last little nooks and cranies where people like rights and could care less what their neighbor does on their own time and on their own land. We are unorganized and do not talk, because we don't need to. So if you want to join, do not contact me, just move. Don't worry, even if you bought your house 4 years ago for $350,000 and sell it next week for $145,000. You got off cheap.

In the time you waste in Park county, even those last nooks and cranies are disappearing and those that make it to those places before the social rev. gets there will have more rights once it does. If you waste your time here fighting this useless battle, you will be the okie in that new world rather than the farm owner.

MARK MY WORDS. (oh I just did).

What a waste.

Posteryoyo,

Coincidentally, as I was in the shower in preparation for the day that was before me, I had similar thoughts. Am I wasting my time? Am I taking resources and quality time away from my family? Am I sacrificing the reputation of my business (of which one ficticious name on here is attempting)? Will I be looked at as a "nutjob"? Will I, along with numerous others, be effective at what we set out to do?

Quite frankly, one would have to be out of their mind to do this! Drives like this have little chance of success. However one might view me/we in this case, I/we just can not stop at this juncture. You see, victims have been identified. These victims are our children and our fellow citizens. These kids did not have the matured faculties to enable them to make a sound decision when it came to dealing with adult predators. If I/we stop here, I/we are giving up on them. I/we are telling them and the many other children, that it is okay for adults to victimize children, even if they are in a position of trust.

What does this have to do with the actions of the commissioners and potentially other elected positions? I suspect that when the dust settles on this once cowpoke/cattle raising county, folks will see how it applies.

Sancho, I sincerely thank you for the warnings that you have given me/us. I do not care for the image of Don Quixote. I/we can not give up on our children. I/we can not concede our county to the folks that want to benefit their few numbers of close family and friends. Why should we, the silent (formerly) majority, continue to sit back and allow this to continue? The voters, some, have spoken via ballots. However, the primary typically is representative of but a small group of people. Historically, the turnout is at the general election in November.

Speaking of history, an action like this was initiated in the early 90s. Do you recall what happened? Three county commissioners were recalled! As far as my other questions above, probably there will be some sacrafice. In the end, my family will be better off. The coummunity will be better off. Our children will be better off. Won't you join us?

posteryoyo thre are some days when i wonder why, especially after getting around my neighborhood asking people to vote for michael graves. i thought we were on our way to new leadership, responsibility, etc. and that others would see it the same way. it didn't happen this time. and maybe if times were different it just might stay the same.

but with high unemployment and foreclosures, bad roads and unbridled spending by our county commissioners many citizens will become more aware just like so many already have on this board. as they do more will come together and we will see change because we, the citizens, in spite of so many differences of opinion, will work together to get those changes done. it is coming, plan on it.

Yep, we're in it too deep to back out now. Even if it seems bleak, our cause is just and if we turn our backs on it now, what does that make us? No better than the evil we are combatting.

Becky wrote: ahhh he/she has already sent a crappy pm telling me where to shove my picnic for the most part. He/she doesn't want to come.

Not correct. I sent a PM in response to your PM telling me where you live, thanking you for telling me where you live and that I wouldn't be attending. Nothing in the PM told you to shove your picnic. You are being dramatic.

Becky wrote: billy...are you just an asshole towards me or is it just in general. Are you mad because I replied to your asshole pm by telling you to have a nice day?
I am unclear what I ever did to you but it appears you just pick anyone out of the crowd. By the way...Is this another one of your nics S***I?
I am having a hard time keeping up.

Becky, we have all seen you around the boards for years.

You do seem to have your moments on each board and then your gone. True or not?
You did run for a public office and we did vote for you, because after making so much noise about PCFD, we thought it would be good for you to sit on the board and have to answer the questions of your peers from Parkbull.
Not being an asshole towards you, just sharing my views on information that 90% of these people already know.

Yes...I have utilized these forums for many years.
I have been banned from Pinecam. That is no secret. I don't know why you feel that is some important piece of knowledge that you feel a need to share in every other post.
I requested that my membership be rescinded from Parkbull because I was tired of being used and abused by it's owner. She came to me on the morning of the last day to file as a candidate of the fire board and begged me to file to run on the board. It was not something I wanted to do but it was obvious that she was not going to let up so I agreed to do it. She also coerced the other two individuals to run also.
I was upset by what I felt were the misrepresentations of the fire department in regards to the tax initiative they were asking for. I was not happy with the leadership of the fire department and feel many of those firefighters who spoke at the "Meet The Candidates" event were disrespectful and showed OUR Fire Department in a very poor light.
I think anytime you have people sitting on a board for years and years...It is easy to be come complacent and make decisions out of a strange sense of brotherhood and not what is exactly in the "community" best interest.
I am deeply saddened by the event that have transpired in the last several months because it changed forever, how I perceive some people whom I had held in high regard for a number of years. I do not see them the same now.
As for the other websites....some have faded away and others I and others have left because they were just not my cup of tea, so to speak.
Is there something covert about that? Apparently only to you billy.
As for Parkbull....There are some serious issues about how the site is run and who is actually in charge and who is behind all those nics. I am tired of being used to do the owners dirty work. Seems to me that opinion is shared by more people than not.
285bound is a good fit for me. I like volunteering here.
I am proud of the contributions I have made.Sorry if you seem bothered by an opportunity to view debates and other events that you previously would have to drive your own self to in order to participate.
Seems to me that you have been a pretty disruptive participant here. If that is how you wish to participate here then more power to you. The cowardice of anonymity is pretty apparent here with you. At least I have the courage to support my beliefs with my own name.
Per the advice of a close friend. I have contacted the FBI this am and I have provided them a copy of your pm to me recently. Though it appears to be innocent on the surface.....the noting of where I live under the circumstances does draw some suspicion. You can continue you negative assault here all you want. I will do whatever is necessary to protect myself and my family.
I love that 285bound is such a positive place and I refuse to let you or ANYONE else create suspicion anymore in this community.
Talk about someone being unhappy all the time.
I guess misery does love company.
Have a good day Sir/Ma'am

Ps...Would you mind if I posted your pm?