Biden's Border "Victory"

07 Feb 2024 19:37 #81 by FredHayek
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Is it a real border bill if it spends 110 billion dollars but 60 billion of that money goes to help Ukraine defend their border and another 10 million to help Israel defend their border?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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07 Feb 2024 21:39 #82 by ramage
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Once again, you post sweeping generalizations without factual knowledge. Your citation states that voting during this war is impossible. No basis in fact. As I posted early the U.S. held elections in 1864 during the Civil War.
Ukraine is not under a full scale invasion, it is a limited special military operation after aid was requested by the provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk which declared themselves independent of Ukraine.
One of the few accuracies in your post is that Ukraine is under martial law. Right, it was declared by Zelenskii in Feb 2022 and there is no end in sight as he retains power and suspends elections. They then posit the argument that it would be a violation of legal norms to hold elections for the Rada (their congress) and the president. God forbid that the Zelenskii regime violate legal norms!
Sounds like Slo Joe, picking and choosing which laws to enforce and which to ignore.
Once again, Olha Aivazovska is offering her opinion, it is not in the Ukrainian constitution that elections cannot be held when martial law is in force.
This is the "independent democracy" that you tout.

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08 Feb 2024 09:04 #83 by koobookie
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Do you really think that just because the U.S. held elections during the civil war that that will be relevant to a different independent country? That's your argument?
"Well, we hold elections during wars, so it must apply to them. Duh!"

Article 83 of the Ukrainian Constitution.
rm.coe.int/constitution-of-ukraine/168071f58b

In the event that the term of authority of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine expires while martial law or a state of emergency is in effect, its authority is extended until the day of the first meeting of the first session of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine , elected after the cancellation of martial law or of the state of emergency.


I hate to tell you, but the country of Ukraine is a democracy, regardless of whether it is currently holding elections. Gee, in the past, they held elections and everything! That's how Zelensky and the Verkhovna Rada became the government, they were ELECTED!

What is your beef with Zelensky? Are you pissed that he stood up to Trump and his threats? Are you upset that he didn't investigate Biden and thus help Trump get elected? OOOOHHHH! That's it, isn't it? You're mad at him for (sort of) helping elect Biden. Gawd, that's just awful.

I'm surprised you don't want to help Ukraine defend itself against Russian aggression, but given your desire to see Trump back in the White House, I guess it kind of makes sense that you admire dictators and want Putin to win. But still, why are you wanting Putin to win? Are you communist or do you just want authoritarians to win?

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08 Feb 2024 09:13 #84 by FredHayek
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B) :evil: Yelensky: Yes, we are a democracy, but we have chosen to suspend elections during the current war, despite 90% of the nation is behind the front lines.

Five Years Later
Yelensky: Elections are suspended for another year while Russia still holds part of Crimea.

Ten Years Later
Yelensky's Widow: While elections are suspended, I will fill in for the departed president.

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08 Feb 2024 09:31 #85 by koobookie
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By June 2022, Russian troops occupied about 40% of Ukrainian territory.

November 2022, Ukrainian troops had regained 54% of that territory.

Russia still occupies 18 percent of the country.


www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/conflict-ukraine

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/world/europe/ukraine-maps.html

www.ft.com/content/4351d5b0-0888-4b47-9368-6bc4dfbccbf5

But sure, let's make light of a country invading another independent country.

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08 Feb 2024 09:44 #86 by FredHayek
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Palestine calls themself a democracy. Hamas won in 2006 and they haven't given power back to the voters.

Russia occupied 18% of Ukraine after seizing Crimea and eastern Ukrainian oblasts. They did this when President Obama was president. He didn't send Ukraine 60 billion dollars to free their nation from Putin. He shrugged his shoulders and moved on. Why is it only now that America decides Ukraine is a strategic ally that must be protected? Are our politicians receiving kickbacks? Is that why a bipartisan group of senators are sending pallets of cash overseas?

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08 Feb 2024 09:51 #87 by FredHayek

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08 Feb 2024 09:52 #88 by FredHayek
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So has he done all he can to stop the hordes at the border? Or is he admitting he could do more? #blackmail

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08 Feb 2024 09:56 #89 by FredHayek
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Vivek does a great job breaking down this "Border Bill".

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08 Feb 2024 09:56 #90 by koobookie
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Ask yourself, Fred, why did the Republicans torpedo the bill that would have addressed the "crisis" at the border? Senate Republicans helped to write the bill, negotiated with Dems, yet they wouldn't vote for it?

I guess the border "crisis" isn't a crisis after all.

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