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That was my scanner feed. I just happened to be in front of the scanners during this transmission- and locked the scanner so that all of this audio would be re-broadcast, otherwise the scanners would have gone on to other frequencies- and this audio would not have been available to the media that day.Four Jefferson County Deputy Sheriff officers were trapped in the Lower North Fork wildfire on March 26, 2011, southwest of Denver, but they escaped eventually, unhurt. This is an audio recording of some of the radio traffic from that incident, courtesy of 9news who got it from a scanner feed.
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BearMtnHIB wrote: And SC- in no way was I advocating that real personal information be posted in scanner posts- however- many of the local sites have gone overboard with restrictions.
This site- could be the source for information to the news media- and provide the community with better information - faster than any TV station ever could.
By posting the age - and the fact that a firefighter was down- in no way qualifies as personal information. I think you know that. Reasonable people do not need to even question that fact.
I'm arguing the other side of this issue- that far more information can be posted than is currently being provided to the community. Of course there are limits- but this does not seem to be the issue as much as with holding information.
Fire departments also sensor themselves- and will not air real personal information. They spend alot of time in meetings discussing this issue- and the standards have been tightened up constantly since 911.
But if I make any point here- I want everyone to know that anything heard on a scanner is public information. It belongs to the public the second it is broadcasted. It becomes public record that very second. Our county government records every second of every transmission for this very reason- it can be subpoenaed in any court of law as public record.
Therefor- any post that CG may provide from a scanner- is simply repeating what is already public record. You will never get in trouble for reporting what is public record.
reporting - present participle of re·port (Verb)
Verb:
1.Give a spoken or written account of something that one has observed, heard, done, or investigated.
2.Cover an event or subject as a journalist or a reporter.
I'm glad you are willing to defend the web site against free speech supression- I'm also willing to defend the information I allow to be broadcast to the world. If anyone ever tries to litigate against us- they stand to lose millions of dollars in damages under our first amendment rights.
Plenty of case law supports this- and many have been sorry they ever tried to sensor public information.
I'm also glad to hear that you will not allow our local government to supress free speech- it is in many cases- the local governments who need to be watched- it is our duty as citizens to call them out when they do wrongs.
A few mistakes were made during the North Fork Fire- and the same people who are complaining about CG's scanner post- were the same people raising holy hell about those mistakes. I find this hypocritical- they can opine all they want- but if a poster provides info from the public record they are chastised.
If this website wants to be the best- it will provide the community with as much information as it can during emergencies- plain and simple. And 285Bound can do all this without sensorship- and in a tasteful manner.
285Bound has the same rights to report information that any media outlet has- so why should we wait for the media to report somthing first? We should be the leader- not the follower.
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This is the kind of example that sites like 285Bould can be a leader - not waiting for the news media for information- but being the source of information for the media. It's a powerful opportunity.
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Yes, I do know. Thank you for the confirmation.BearMtnHIB wrote: And SC- in no way was I advocating that real personal information be posted in scanner posts- however- many of the local sites have gone overboard with restrictions.
That's the goal!BearMtnHIB wrote: This site- could be the source for information to the news media- and provide the community with better information - faster than any TV station ever could.
Perhaps, and as you said there are limits. I would stress that it is important to me to work with the agencies affected as well in order to establish trust and a good working relationship without compromising our standards of open speech and integrity of serving the citizens of the community. As CG stated perfectly what I meant: "I am a firm believer in giving unaltered, unfiltered information when at all possible." within reason, as all of us are advocating here.BearMtnHIB wrote: By posting the age - and the fact that a firefighter was down- in no way qualifies as personal information. I think you know that. Reasonable people do not need to even question that fact.
I'm arguing the other side of this issue- that far more information can be posted than is currently being provided to the community. Of course there are limits- but this does not seem to be the issue as much as with holding information.
That was the exact wording that I received back - that what was said over the scanner was public information so what we posted was fine. I understand Becky's and Jack's concern that if they feel that everything they say is posted, that they may tighten up what is said over the scanner more, but I disagree that they'd go completely offline and remove this avenue of information from the public (or avenue of communication among themselves). I would hope that long before it ever came to that, if it did, that the service agencies would be willing to have a dialog with us so we could come to an agreement like DSV and they did long ago.BearMtnHIB wrote: Fire departments also sensor themselves- and will not air real personal information. They spend alot of time in meetings discussing this issue- and the standards have been tightened up constantly since 911.
But if I make any point here- I want everyone to know that anything heard on a scanner is public information. It belongs to the public the second it is broadcasted. It becomes public record that very second. Our county government records every second of every transmission for this very reason- it can be subpoenaed in any court of law as public record.
Therefor- any post that CG may provide from a scanner- is simply repeating what is already public record. You will never get in trouble for reporting what is public record.
Tasteful is the keyword here, and I'm glad you said it. I agree wholeheartedly. We are working to do better in this regard, an welcome anyone who'd like to volunteer to help!BearMtnHIB wrote: I'm glad you are willing to defend the web site against free speech supression- I'm also willing to defend the information I allow to be broadcast to the world. If anyone ever tries to litigate against us- they stand to lose millions of dollars in damages under our first amendment rights.
Plenty of case law supports this- and many have been sorry they ever tried to sensor public information.
I'm also glad to hear that you will not allow our local government to supress free speech- it is in many cases- the local governments who need to be watched- it is our duty as citizens to call them out when they do wrongs.
A few mistakes were made during the North Fork Fire- and the same people who are complaining about CG's scanner post- were the same people raising holy hell about those mistakes. I find this hypocritical- they can opine all they want- but if a poster provides info from the public record they are chastised.
If this website wants to be the best- it will provide the community with as much information as it can during emergencies- plain and simple. And 285Bound can do all this without sensorship- and in a tasteful manner.
However, we are not a news agency, and have no intention of becoming one as that would require assuming liability that we aren't prepared to take on. But I do believe that we should be the first source on all local information, as that would make it the most efficient for guests and members when looking for finding out what's going on so they don't waste valuable time.BearMtnHIB wrote: 285Bound has the same rights to report information that any media outlet has- so why should we wait for the media to report somthing first? We should be the leader- not the follower.
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A few mistakes were made during the North Fork Fire- and the same people who are complaining about CG's scanner post- were the same people raising holy hell about those mistakes. I find this hypocritical- they can opine all they want- but if a poster provides info from the public record they are chastised.
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BuyersAgent wrote: C'mon guys, there has to be a happy medium here someplace, between opening the News to see your child's body on the front page (which is what happened to the family of one of the Columbine victims, who recognized his clothes), and giving out too many private details in advance. "What the community needs to know" is situational, so decisions have to be made on a case-by-case basis.
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