mtntrekker wrote: So LJ, due process then means slap anyone with anything and hope it sticks?
The cops do it all the time... Ever hear of "Driving While Black"? However, you are deliberately changing the meaning of "being arrested" and "due process"... Nice try, though. Being arrested STARTS the process of "due process." I want this sucker ARRESTED so that "due process" may occur. If he's innocent, that will come out; and if he's guilty, I want him put away for a LOOOONG time, so he can get to be REALLY good friends with "Tyrone" in the prison... (Steven Seagal reference... )
Thank goodness between the FBI, and the Florida Special Prosecutor's Office, we may finally see that. It's obvious that the rednecks of the City of Sanford and it's Police Department were either incompetent enough, or racist enough not to do the job.
Or perhaps Florida Spec Pros and FBI are thoroughly evaluating the evidence before violating his rights giving him cause to sue? Now there's a novel idea.
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Gee, I wasn't aware that being arrested on "suspicion" of something was a violation of someone's rights... Who knew?!?! You should run that by the SCOTUS...
LadyJazzer wrote: Would that be the same Zimmerman that was told in an orientation/briefing session by the Homeowner's Association, (provided by the police department): "1) You are NOT a vigilante; 2) Do NOT pursue anyone; 3) Do NOT carry a weapon." (The PD was just forced to give up the copy of the PowerPoint slide presentation that was used in the training; so these points are not disputable.)
Would that be the same Zimmerman that was told by the dispatcher to stand-down, "We don't need you to do that?"
THAT Zimmerman?
I'd appreciate a link to that.
Shooting Focuses Attention on a Program That Seeks to Avoid Guns
SANFORD, Fla. — Last August, Wendy Dorival got a call about setting up a local neighborhood watch. As the volunteer coordinator for the Police Department here, she gets such calls regularly, and the city already had at least 10 active watch groups. So she thought nothing of this call, from George Zimmerman.
She set up a visit for the next month at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community that had been dealing with a string of burglaries. When 25 residents showed up, a decent turnout, she had the residents introduce themselves; after all, people join the groups to look out for each other. She then gave a PowerPoint presentation and distributed a handbook. As she always does, she emphasized what a neighborhood watch is — and what it is not.
In every presentation, “I go through what the rules and responsibilities are,” she said Thursday. The volunteers’ role, she said, is “being the eyes and ears” for the police, “not the vigilante.” Members of a neighborhood watch “are not supposed to confront anyone,” she said. “We get paid to get into harm’s way. You don’t do that. You just call them from the safety of your home or your vehicle.”
Using a gun in the neighborhood watch role would be out of the question, she said in an interview. Mr. Zimmerman was there, she recalled, and the local group appointed him their coordinator.
I just heard the part about them being forced to turn over the PowerPoint on the TV news from an police officer that was being interviews. I don't have a link for that. I guess, if it's that important to you, you'll have to find it yourself.
Just the article link was fine.
That article goes into neighborhood watch training by the National Sheriffs' Association, but I have already read Zimmerman's group was not a member and had been trained by local police instead. So I was curious as to what their training consisted of.
It seems clear to me that in a cival suit Zimmerman and maybe his HOA would be in big trouble. Even if he wasn't on watch duty the night he shot Martin (don't know) it at least appears he was trained not to persue a person. If he wasn't on duty, I don't know if carrying the gun would be an issue since he had a permit. But who knows.
If there is a criminal prosecution, I'm sure all that watch training would be brought up as well. And perhaps it could be a part of the reason the special prosecutor might file charges. The National Sheriff's Association said charges could be filed against member watch people who don't follow policies, but I'm not sure what those are.
The left (and socialist like Lady Jazzer) are now forced to grab at straws. Since their whole narrative about this hateful, racist Democrat white-hispanic who hunted down Trayvon like a rabid dog, making all sorts of racist statements, and this corrupt police department who covered for Zimmerman and failed to even put police tape around the crimes screen, yea, that narrative that has fallen apart... now these lefties and race baiters (and socialists like Lady Jazzer) resort to suggesting that Zimmerman's civil rights should have been violated and due process suspended in order to satisfy their insatiable need to have a political scapegoat.
The lefts objective is not the truth... the narrative is their objective.
LadyJazzer wrote: Let's just get him ARRESTED and into the court system first... THEN, they will have their chance to prove what REALLY happened "beyond a reasonable doubt." If they've got the facts, he's toast...And if they don't, he walks.
The problem with your vigilante lustings is that before they can put him into the court system they have to have a reasonable expectation of being able to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. If they don't then they have violated his rights to due process under the law. You don' think anyone should be denied their right to due process under the law, do you LJ?
You idiot, I'm ASKING for "due process"... And they can arrest ANYONE on SUSPICION of ANYTHING at ANY TIME -- (including "suspicion of unpaid parking tickets"--even when they've been paid). And then the clock starts ticking for them to either show enough evidence to hold him, or turn him loose. The WHOLE POINT is that they circumvented the whole process.
Insert standard irrelevant "articles of confederation"/"sovereign citizen"/"original intent" bullsh*t here: :_______________________________
Bovine Scat. What you are demanding is that he be arrested and brought to trial regardless of whether or not the prosecutor believes that they can meet their burden of proof. Zimmerman was detained that night, he was not free to go until the representative of the office of the District Attorney said that the evidence at hand would not, in their opinion, be sufficient for them to meet their burden of proof, which is why no charges were filed that night pending further investigation of the incident. If the investigation turned up evidence sufficient for them to meet their burden, they would then file the charges and swear out a warrant for Zimmerman's arrest on those charges. That, to date, hasn't happened. The office of the DA that night established that to date there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman and there must be something added to the pile before probable cause can once again be found to exist. A bunch of "progressive" vigilantes seeking to inflame racial tension for partisan political purposes and carrying on about their personal beliefs that it is a hate crime does not rise to the level necessary for that to occur.
I notice that you also wish to conveniently overlook that Zimmerman wasn't "on patrol" when he encountered Martin - Zimmerman was instead on the way to the store himself when Martin's actions brought him to Zimmerman's attention according to the statement that Zimmerman gave police that evening. A citizen is no more or less prohibited by law from pursuing a suspicious person than a police officer themselves would be in a similar circumstance. Tell me LJ, what do you think an off duty police officer would do if they were observing a suspicious person in their neighborhood and the person looked up at them and took off running when they became aware they were being observed? Pursue them perhaps? Might not be very smart thing to do mind you, but as you yourself prove every day here, not being smart about things isn't a reason to arrest someone.
Since you seem to have reading comprehension problems with anything other than your fantasy websites, I'll state again what I want:
Would that be the same Zimmerman that was told in an orientation/briefing session by the Homeowner's Association, (provided by the police department): "1) You are NOT a vigilante; 2) Do NOT pursue anyone; 3) Do NOT carry a weapon."
Would that be the same Zimmerman that was told by the dispatcher to stand-down, "We don't need you to do that?"
THAT Zimmerman?
Zimmerman SAYS he was on the way to the store... PROVE it.
PrintSmith wrote: as you yourself prove every day here, not being smart about things isn't a reason to arrest someone.
Boy, does THAT ever cut-both-ways, Sparkie....
I want this sucker ARRESTED so that "due process" may occur. If he's innocent, that will come out; and if he's guilty, I want him put away for a LOOOONG time, so he can get to be REALLY good friends with "Tyrone" in the prison... (Steven Seagal reference... )
Thank goodness between the FBI, and the Florida Special Prosecutor's Office, we may finally see that. It's obvious that the rednecks of the City of Sanford and it's Police Department were either incompetent enough, or racist enough not to do the job.
I want due process to attach before the time limit for doing so expires. I frankly don't give a sh*t what you "think" I want.
plaidvillain wrote: Never heard one of you conservatives defend the civil rights of al-Zarkawi...not a PEEP about his right to due process.
Said it all along, and you continue to prove me right - you only care about rights when they're yours - or when they're convenient to your politics.
Fine... go start a thread about al-Zarkawi... you're "you too" argument is lame. The whole lefty narrative in regards to the racist Zimmerman is falling apart and these are the talking points that you are left with. Stop trying to play with the big boys when all you got is squat.
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