thoughts on the Trayvon murder

LadyJazzer wrote: Let's just get him ARRESTED and into the court system first... THEN, they will have their chance to prove what REALLY happened "beyond a reasonable doubt." If they've got the facts, he's toast...And if they don't, he walks.

The problem with your vigilante lustings is that before they can put him into the court system they have to have a reasonable expectation of being able to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. If they don't then they have violated his rights to due process under the law. You don' think anyone should be denied their right to due process under the law, do you LJ?

"I also observed a black male, wearing a gray hooded sweat shirt, laying face down in the grass."

Doesn't anyone else find my bolded portion of the officer's statement odd? Or is it just me?

LadyJazzer wrote: Would that be the same Zimmerman that was told in an orientation/briefing session by the Homeowner's Association, (provided by the police department): "1) You are NOT a vigilante; 2) Do NOT pursue anyone; 3) Do NOT carry a weapon." (The PD was just forced to give up the copy of the PowerPoint slide presentation that was used in the training; so these points are not disputable.)

Would that be the same Zimmerman that was told by the dispatcher to stand-down, "We don't need you to do that?"

THAT Zimmerman?

I'd appreciate a link to that.

According to the former neighborhood watch caption, Zimmerman helped stop a burglary on Feb 2nd without shooting the guy...

Taffe says, “We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot. It would have been nine - there would have been nine, but George Zimmerman through his efforts of being a neighborhood watch captain helped stop one in progress, documented in the 911 calls February 2. My house was being robbed, and George on his nightly rounds watched this burglary in progress, called Sanford P.D., waited for them, and helped ensure that nothing bad happened to my house. And it's documented the 911 call for February 2. That was my residence that George Zimmerman helped stop.”

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/03/zimmerman-neighbor-fmr-neighborhood-watch-captain-prior-burglaries-were-by-young-black-males-if-you-plant-corn-you-get-corn/

I'm just speculating, but I wonder if Zimmerman carried a weapon when he was doing neighborhood watch duty? I've read he was on his way to the grocery store the night he saw Martin. So he may of not been on watch duty that particular night, but don't know...

homeagain wrote: W-e-l-l now......per a civil atty. If civil case is brought forward,the homeowners assoc. of the gated community can be held liable for
the death,because they printed a notice in their newsletter about the appointment of Z. as the head of the "watch". Civil atty is
questioning if the homeowners even knew if he was carrying.......apparently it IS unusual for a neighborhood watch situation. THIS
opens up a HUGE discussion,from my POV........this case WILL BE a watershed event,I think.

Problem the attorney is going to have with that suit is that Zimmerman wasn't out patrolling in his official role as the head of the "watch" for the neighborhood when he ran across Martin - he was on his way to the store according to the account he gave police the night of the incident.

Mtn Gramma wrote:

"I also observed a black male, wearing a gray hooded sweat shirt, laying face down in the grass."

Doesn't anyone else find my bolded portion of the officer's statement odd? Or is it just me?

Don't find anything odd about it, what an officer would write.

Are you referencing that he was found laying face down rather than face up? I wouldn't surmise anything based on the positioning w/o knowing more of the details.

Vice Lord wrote: Yeah LJ, but Zimmerman only outweighed him by 10 pounds and Treyvon stole some bubblegum when he was 5.

He had to shoot him

Well, there you have it...

PrintSmith wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Let's just get him ARRESTED and into the court system first... THEN, they will have their chance to prove what REALLY happened "beyond a reasonable doubt." If they've got the facts, he's toast...And if they don't, he walks.

The problem with your vigilante lustings is that before they can put him into the court system they have to have a reasonable expectation of being able to prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt. If they don't then they have violated his rights to due process under the law. You don' think anyone should be denied their right to due process under the law, do you LJ?

You idiot, I'm ASKING for "due process"... And they can arrest ANYONE on SUSPICION of ANYTHING at ANY TIME -- (including "suspicion of unpaid parking tickets"--even when they've been paid ). And then the clock starts ticking for them to either show enough evidence to hold him, or turn him loose. The WHOLE POINT is that they circumvented the whole process.

Insert standard irrelevant "articles of confederation"/"sovereign citizen"/"original intent" bullsh*t here: :_______________________________

So LJ, due process then means slap anyone with anything and hope it sticks?

pineinthegrass wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Would that be the same Zimmerman that was told in an orientation/briefing session by the Homeowner's Association, (provided by the police department): "1) You are NOT a vigilante; 2) Do NOT pursue anyone; 3) Do NOT carry a weapon." (The PD was just forced to give up the copy of the PowerPoint slide presentation that was used in the training; so these points are not disputable.)

Would that be the same Zimmerman that was told by the dispatcher to stand-down, "We don't need you to do that?"

THAT Zimmerman?

I'd appreciate a link to that.

Shooting Focuses Attention on a Program That Seeks to Avoid Guns

SANFORD, Fla. — Last August, Wendy Dorival got a call about setting up a local neighborhood watch. As the volunteer coordinator for the Police Department here, she gets such calls regularly, and the city already had at least 10 active watch groups. So she thought nothing of this call, from George Zimmerman.

She set up a visit for the next month at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community that had been dealing with a string of burglaries. When 25 residents showed up, a decent turnout, she had the residents introduce themselves; after all, people join the groups to look out for each other. She then gave a PowerPoint presentation and distributed a handbook. As she always does, she emphasized what a neighborhood watch is — and what it is not.

In every presentation, “I go through what the rules and responsibilities are,” she said Thursday. The volunteers’ role, she said, is “being the eyes and ears” for the police, “not the vigilante.” Members of a neighborhood watch “are not supposed to confront anyone,” she said. “We get paid to get into harm’s way. You don’t do that. You just call them from the safety of your home or your vehicle.”

Using a gun in the neighborhood watch role would be out of the question, she said in an interview. Mr. Zimmerman was there, she recalled, and the local group appointed him their coordinator.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/us/tr ... wanted=all

I just heard the part about them being forced to turn over the PowerPoint on the TV news from a police officer that was being interviewed. I don't have a link for that. I guess, if it's that important to you, you'll have to find it yourself.