Vote no on 4A

"That doesn't seem true considering that most of us voluntarily vote on tax proposals".....SC.....not related. Try not paying your taxes............Sheriff is enforcer for sure in the last analysis......and maybe with a SWAT team (AKA military POLICE).

Boo...

Thanks SC. That contradicts what I was told when I contacted the Mayor's Office, the President ProTempore of the Senate and the CO Speaker of the House. I asked for the information in writing but have not received it. Have you contacted any of the above? Would you please ask Gerou to put that in writing. I want to see it.

Now about grants. Davis this is for you. Who was on the Board of Directors when these grants were written and wrongly implemented as you contend. Have any been written since McLaughlin and this new pretty, yes i said pretty, not petty regime took over? What has this magnificent group done. And if you were aware that all these wrongly implemented grants were going on and were part of ECFD during that time, what did you do about it? This is a chance to redeem yourself.

Science Chic wrote: That doesn't seem true considering that most of us voluntarily vote on tax proposals.

That brings up a point that hasn't been really addressed. I've heard people ask "Why doesn't the department just apply for more grants to fund its needs?" Aside from the fact that grant writing is very time- consuming, especially in light of the fact that there's little return on investment for it because there are more and more people applying for those same funds meaning the likelihood of winning is slimmer so often it's a huge waste of time for nothing, there's a bigger fundamental issue. Grants are mostly (not all) federal tax dollars. If you want your local department to go begging for federal tax dollars, you are, in essence, asking for a stronger and more well-funded federal government. You are reducing the power of the government at the local level by allowing the Feds to decide who gets what. And keep in mind that every organization across the country is in the same boat so if every citizen of every district says the same thing, we are all the cause of a loss of local control in favor of federal control.

This department serves us. It has specific needs for which it has asked, and has done its best cutting what it can to get by until now. We benefit from their services - people in Arizona or Florida should not be paying our local department, just as we should not be paying theirs. Take care of our own, keep the control local.

On a side note, I attended the Evergreen Town Hall Meeting Thursday night and Rep. Cheri Gerou said that Gov. Hickenlooper has told her that he will not be voting for any Wildfire Task measure that recommends state-mandated ratings of our mountain homes. ISO ratings will still be the primary way insurance decides the risk value for your homes. I videotaped that meeting as well, I'll try to get to it early next week.

jf1acai since you choose to inject yourself into this discussion I did some homework today. You aren't part of ECFD. You live elsewhere. Tell me what meetings did you attend and what specifically has ECFD done to clean up the sins of the past since you know they have done a good job.

Let me also ask since you choose to inject information from Disaster Support Volunteers and use the same nic here and at DSV that you represent them as such. Are they not a not-for -profit organization 501c(3) which should not provide any political opinion? What have you been doing all this time giving political opinions?

jf1acai wrote: Lime Gulch Fire was not in ECFPD jurisdiction. It was in NFFD jurisdiction on USFS land.

HOWEVER, initial attack started with NFFD and USFS, and quickly involved all 285 area fire departments, as well as Jefferson County. Eventually command transitioned to a USFS Type 3 IMT, then to a Type 2 IMT as the fire grew. Reference http://www.disastersupportvolunteers.co ... ountain... .

Regarding 'cleaning up the mess' in ECFPD's department, I think they have done a good job of working on that. For how many years will they be blamed for the 'sins' of the past, over which they had no control?

Such a touching story. Now with some assessment and replacements of parts you probably have a much better chance of having a working vehicle for a nominal amount rather than buying $350,000 dollar piece of equipment. They don't make them like they used to.

Michael_Davis wrote: From the Elk Creek Fire Protection District Newsletter:
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I was talking with a neighbor; I told him the Elk Creek Fire Department is operating a fire engine and two water tankers that are 25-years old. I explained that the useful life of these trucks is about 20-years, and that Elk Creek needs money to replace them. He responded, “So what? My truck is old as the hills, and you don’t see anyone offering to buy me a new one.”

It made me think of a truck I used to own. When I was a kid I drove a GMC pickup that was as old as I was. It was a classic, and yes, it burned a little oil, and didn’t like to start on cold mornings, but I got by.

I’d miss work when my truck broke down, but I’d spend a day tinkering under the hood, and the old GMC would run fine for another few weeks.

My boss would get mad, but he was a good guy. He’d threaten to fire me every time I missed work, but he never did. The thing is; a carpenter driving a truck that sometimes won’t start is a whole lot different from a fire department. If I were late, maybe a homeowner’s move in date would get pushed back by a day, no big deal. But, what if you call 911 and the fire engine won’t start, or the water tanker won’t make it up the hill? That’s a different story!

Lots of us guys love our old trucks, but the fire department needs rigs that are guaranteed to start, to pump water and to get there in a hurry. I know that if I call and say my house is on fire, I don’t want to get a call back from the fire department saying, “Sorry, but our truck won’t start.”

MG44 doing some more homework today. Its really nice to have some nieces to help with all of this. Everyone has been busy since a few days ago checking on information. You talk about suing have you checked your own doorstep recently? Please provide all the names of agents and insurance companies you talked with about rates going up. We want to talk to them. And since you hold yourself out as a business woman with a business and said that rates are going up using scare tactics if people don't vote for 4A (when in fact the Chief himself that the ISO will go up) I think the Insurance Commission will want to know about all your comments. So please show us what you have.

And rather than doing another cut and paste, THANK YOU ZEN. I appreciate all the attention you give me, considering your mouth is pitiful in refuting any of the information.

MountainGirl44 wrote: I love it....keep talking Go Union and KincaidSprings.....people are starting to see right through all of this...are you kidding...thanking Mike Bartlett for the CUT mailer.....he has been advised by ECFPD to cease in stating the dept overspent its budget.....he was told that was an error by the accounting firm and is being corrected....he still put it in the flier....i have asked him to stop leading people to think they only need to clear brush from around their homes for lower insurance...he still put it in his flier.....if I had the ability, I would file suit against him and CUT for libel....but they know the funds aren't there and so they could write whatever they want...very sad...but I know this community and it is filled with smart, community loving people who will look at all sides and then make a decision......thank goodness....

Lighten Up WindPeak.

Everyone has already voted.

You can go back to pulling the wings off butterflies for amusement now (thereby sparring us your rants).

SC I hope you are researching those in favor of the measure as well to be fair and impartial. I mean after all you are supporting them.

Oh yes indeedy SC people are entitled to personal opinions. However when jf1acai provides information from the DSV website, provides a link and has his nic all over it, he violates 501c(3) policy. WE checked. Now if he would just give an opinion and didn't rely on the website for his expertise and didn't use the same nic, it wouldn't be a problem.

Tell me SC did you do any research on this before you provided this misinformation?

Hey Zen, yes many of us have voted. Should I let the voting commission know that everybody has voted per Zen and they can close up shop now?

Science Chic wrote:

WindPeak wrote: jf1acai since you choose to inject yourself into this discussion I did some homework today. You aren't part of ECFD. You live elsewhere. Tell me what meetings did you attend and what specifically has ECFD done to clean up the sins of the past since you know they have done a good job.

Let me also ask since you choose to inject information from Disaster Support Volunteers and use the same nic here and at DSV that you represent them as such. Are they not a not-for -profit organization 501c(3) which should not provide any political opinion? What have you been doing all this time giving political opinions?

jf1acai wrote: Lime Gulch Fire was not in ECFPD jurisdiction. It was in NFFD jurisdiction on USFS land.

HOWEVER, initial attack started with NFFD and USFS, and quickly involved all 285 area fire departments, as well as Jefferson County. Eventually command transitioned to a USFS Type 3 IMT, then to a Type 2 IMT as the fire grew. Reference http://www.disastersupportvolunteers.co ... ountain... .

Regarding 'cleaning up the mess' in ECFPD's department, I think they have done a good job of working on that. For how many years will they be blamed for the 'sins' of the past, over which they had no control?

People are allowed to have personal opinions that have nothing to do with a business or nonprofit with which they are associated, you know; I never saw jf1acai say that this was any official position of DSV.

I do hope you are researching those opposed to the measure as well, to be fair and impartial.

ZenTree wrote: Lighten Up WindPeak.

Everyone has already voted.

You can go back to pulling the wings off butterflies for amusement now (thereby sparring us your rants).