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ScienceChic replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 07 Jan 2018 23:51 #101

Rick wrote: The fact is SC, that Hillary was being investigated by Hillary supporters... hardly a shocker that they didn't indict her on anything. The other fact is that she did indeed lie to the FBI about having classified material on her unsecured server and it was just discovered that emails MARKED CLASSIFIED were on Huma's laptop and forwarded to the Wiener. Flynn gets prosecuted for lying yet nothing for Hillary and her dirtbags. The double standard is obvious to anyone who isn't a Democrat it seems.

Hillary supporters? Truly?
Clinton: 7 Benghazi probes so far
By Clayton Youngman on Monday, October 12th, 2015

"There have been seven investigations led mostly by Republicans in the Congress," Clinton said. "And they were nonpartisan, and they reached conclusions that, first of all, I and nobody did anything wrong, but there were changes we could make. This committee was set up, as they have admitted, for the purpose of making a partisan political issue out of the deaths of four Americans."

Is Clinton correct that there have been seven and now eight investigations into Benghazi? We started counting and found she was largely accurate.

Here’s what we found.

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stateme...ghazi-probes-so-far/
And this one:
FBI documents: Andrew McCabe had no conflict in Hillary Clinton email probe

Lest we think that partisanship exists only to help Clinton:



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Irrespective of all that, what you seem to be implying is that because you believe she "got away with something" that the current investigation should also allow everyone involved to get off scott free. Is this what you believe? That we don't need to clean up the corruption or try to find the truth?

Here's my other big concern, succinctly expressed here:


Whatever happened to country over party?
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first. ~Charles de Gaulle

True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else. ~Clarence Darrow

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Getting back on topic, I didn't post the NY Times article when it came out last week that claimed that a drunken Papadapolous is what started the investigation into collusion with Russia...because it wasn't really, according to some on Twitter who've got a pretty good track record of calling things. It also wasn't wholly the Steele dossier.



And lastly,

Claude Taylor Verified account @TrueFactsStated 9 hours ago
Source with knowledge of Mueller investigation says 3 more individuals were indicted in late December. Indictments are under seal-they include 1 A list and 2 from the shadows.


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ramage replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 08 Jan 2018 17:37 #102

SC,
I must be slow, what was the point of you riposte to Rick? You stated" Hillary supporters? Truly?" This was followed by a pasting of various opponents of Trump.
Help me here.
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ScienceChic replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 09 Jan 2018 16:58 #103

Sorry, it was late when I posted that and I'd been struggling to come up with a coherent, logical flow of my thoughts, and ended up cramming a lot of info in my post. Rick claimed that "Hillary was being investigated by Hillary supporters" and I disagreed, backing up my position with the two articles that followed ("Clinton: 7 Benghazi Probes so far" and "FBI documents: Andrew McCabe had no conflict in Hillary Clinton email probe").

The next two images that I posted of Rep Ted Lieu's Tweets showed examples of how other government officials have given large sums to GOP candidates. The point being that it's okay for government officials to have personal beliefs and support candidates and parties that they wish so long as it doesn't interfere with them doing their job in a fair, non-partisan manner (what the 3rd image from the Project on Government oversight is supposed to show). That Sessions has recused himself from the Special Counsel investigation was good, but opening an investigation into the Clinton Foundation is suspect. This effort to sow discord and further partisanship in our country is the work of outside nefarious influences and we must recognize this for what it is and stop falling prey to their disinformation campaigns, and we need to hold our representatives and government officials accountable if they act in a partisan manner that harms our Constitution processes.

The fourth image from John Schindler I accidentally put in the wrong spot. It was intended to show that the efforts to discredit the Special Counsel's investigation by saying that the Steele Dossier is flawed and full of uncorroborated info that is somehow tainted because it was paid for by the DNC (it wasn't, at first, anyway) is a non sequitur; the investigation began because of intelligence info that came from our allies.

Underneath the row of stars that I put to indicate that I was bringing up something different, I asked some questions and highlighted a Tweet by Amy Siskind who expressed her concern of a hallmark of authoritarianism; a concern I share. Clinton lost and is no longer even a public servant. That she continues to be attacked by her political opponent, months after the election concluded, and her foundation is now being investigated, smacks of authoritarianism and bullying. It is not an action we can tolerate in a free republic. Our elections and citizens cannot be attacked like this. If there's something untoward happening within the Clinton Foundation, it is a matter for law enforcement and stakeholders to investigate, not Congress.

After that I posted 3 quotes which I'd submit for deeper reflection as to what they mean for the direction we are heading. Are we going to be a People who value truth, justice, honor, and integrity? Are we a nation that will protect our Constitutional and democratic processes, or are they mere words now? Do we not strive to become better than we are and to find out the truth?

Under my final row of stars to separate another related topic, I continued with the course of the investigation. Rick and Tarryall have asserted in previous posts that surely this investigation should've leaked info, or done something to indict Trump by now and have said it seems like the investigation isn't progressing so it's all for nothing; the last posts I put up show that there is indeed action happening still and more indictments to come. And this came out yesterday:
Russia probe: Trump lawyers 'in talks over Mueller interview'
8 January 2018

The Washington Post, quoting an unnamed person close to Mr Trump, says investigation lead Robert Mueller is likely to interview him within weeks.

According to The Post, Mr Mueller first raised the possibility of interviewing the president in a meeting with his lawyers, John Dowd and Jay Sekulow, in late December.

"This is moving faster than anyone really realises," the newspaper quotes a person within the president's circle, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

President Trump's legal team did not confirm the reports, but told both media outlets: "The White House is continuing its full co-operation with the OSC [Office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller] in order to facilitate the earliest possible resolution."

Aside from the Russia angle, special counsel Robert Mueller may also look into whether the president and his inner circle sought to obstruct justice while in office following the firing of FBI director James Comey.


I hope that helps clear up what I was trying to convey in my previous post. My apologies for it being so cryptic. I need to post more frequently in this topic so the info I find doesn't get so backed up and there's too much to share at once.


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Rick replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 20 Jan 2018 13:13 #104

This whole joke of an investigation into collusion could come crashing down any day if a certain memo gets released to the public. I know most people on the left probably don't know about this memo or won't believe it no matter how much evidence surfaces, but I'm sure it's much more credible than that piece of crap dossier. This could be extremely entertaining watching all of this backfire on our worthless media and the left. Hopefully something good will come out of all this, like exposing people in Obama's FBI and DOJ that were hell bent on making sure Trump lost. Sorry, no impeachment.

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ScienceChic replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 21 Jan 2018 15:13 #105

Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS requested that his testimony be released, Senator Dianne Feinstein did so. Read for yourself if you wish.
Feinstein: American People Deserve Opportunity to Read Glenn Simpson, Fusion GPS Transcript
Jan 09 2018

Washington—Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today released the transcript of Glenn Simpson’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee with the support of committee Democrats. Simpson is the co-founder of Fusion GPS.

“After speaking with majority and minority committee staff for 10 hours, Glenn Simpson requested the transcript of his interview be released publicly. The American people deserve the opportunity to see what he said and judge for themselves,” said Senator Feinstein. “The innuendo and misinformation circulating about the transcript are part of a deeply troubling effort to undermine the investigation into potential collusion and obstruction of justice. The only way to set the record straight is to make the transcript public.”

The transcript is available here and corrections made after the transcript was finalized are available here.

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Another note about that dossier, which I will reiterate is NOT the sole basis for the Special Counsel investigation so if you're thinking that discrediting it makes everything go away, you would be in error.

Evan McMullin Verified account @Evan_McMullin Jan 10
The FBI didn’t pay Steele for the dossier; Republicans and Democrats did.

Here’s a better question: What would possess a US Congressman to mislead the American people about a federal investigation?

https://twitter.com/Evan_McMullin/status/951270962762305536


Collusion is actually a bad legal term, a better one is conspire. Whether in the end they can nail Trump for conspiracy is unknown yet, but it's looking like they've got a really strong case for money laundering and fraud. Face it, our president has engaged in shady, probably illegal dealings. He's been accused of sexual assault by over a dozen women. Most recently it was reported that he paid a porn star hush money to keep quiet about their affair that he had not long after his marriage to Melania. He is amoral and immoral, unethical, and IMO unacceptable to fill the position of President of the United States of America.

Counterchekist @counterchekist Jan 16
Counterchekist Retweeted John Schindler
12/04/2015. That’s the date this Tweet was posted. Now, why wasn’t there *any* investigative reporting from MSM on tRUmp’s well known organized crime and Kremlin ties during the 2016 election? It was right in front of their faces. This failure is unprecedented & unacceptable.

John Schindler Verified account @20committee 4 Dec 2015
IMPORTANT ===> this ties Trump to Russian organized crime & indirectly to Putin. This is a very big deal, folks.
Trump picked stock fraud felon as senior adviser


We may not be hearing anything but that doesn't mean that the Special Counsel's investigation has been continuing...

Tea Pain‏ @TeaPainUSA
11:43 AM - 15 Jan 2018
1) QUICK THREAD on Mueller Probe

Tea Pain suspects we won't see further indictments until Mueller locks down an interview date with Trump or Trump says "No interview."

2) Flynn's plea deal has yielded bushels of juicy fruit and allowed Mueller to go directly after Trump without spendin' another round of indictments tippin' his hand.

5) If Trump says "No Interview!", expect Mueller to let go with a massive bombin' run, then subpoena Trump to appear before his Grand Jury.

7) Mueller's played so few of his cards, Trump may arrogantly believe Mueller's got nothin' on him and run his mouth more recklessly.

8) In closin', don't interpret this period of calm as weakness on Mueller's part. It means just the opposite. Mueller has a chance to roll the President months quicker than anyone expected. Hold fast. Good things are comin' soon! <Pain Out>

https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/952989587688878088

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11:44 AM - 18 Jan 2018
1) MINI-THREAD on Bannon Testimony:

We heard two different schools of thought on Bannon's testimony yesterday.

a) The White House instructed Bannon to limit his testimony
b) Mueller instructed Bannon to limit his testimony

3) Tea believes Bannon is fully cooperatin' with Bob Mueller's team and that Bannon was indeed in touch with the White House yesterday.

4) Bannon was actually contacting the White House to collect phone and text messages that would bolster Mueller's Obstruction of Justice case against Trump.

https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/954077148964417537


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driver8 replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 21 Jan 2018 16:32 #106

"This whole joke of an investigation into collusion could come crashing down any day if a certain memo gets released to the public. I know most people on the left probably don't know about this memo or won't believe it no matter how much evidence surfaces, but I'm sure it's much more credible than that piece of crap dossier. This could be extremely entertaining watching all of this backfire on our worthless media and the left. Hopefully something good will come out of all this, like exposing people in Obama's FBI and DOJ that were hell bent on making sure Trump lost. Sorry, no impeachment."

Wow... The 'people on the left' who have actually been following this and saw the nunes distraction coming last week. Nunes is the one who wrote it based on no facts. Then he started the whole #releasethememo hashtag on twitter and on FB. It is the TOP trending hashtag.... you know why? It is being pushed by the same russian network of bots that pushed the all of the false narratives the effected the 2016 election. You know, the one that every US intel group found evidence that was occuring. The reason why the sanctions against the russians were implemented.

Nunes is the only one who can '#releasethememo' since he and his team wrote this piece of fiction. He won't even release it to the FBI! I know, you will next say that Robert Mueller is a Obama plant.. that is the other russian disinformation campaign that is going on.

As a reminder, Mueller is one of the most respected law enforcement agents this country has know for 30 years. He is a decorated war hero. He is a republican... for his whole life. So is Christopher Wray, so is Rod Rothenstein. These are all well know facts, easily confirmed.

The only 'fake news' and associated bullshit that is out there is the crap that is being pushed by fox, infowars, brietbart and drudge. When all of this shakes out we will all know who the traitors to the United States are and the people who believe the crap from those 'sources' WILL be on the wrong side of history. JFC, the fickin RUSSIANS are the enemy! And the right is acting is if they are their friend. I truely feel for you Rick, I know you want to believe the nunes narrative, really I do. But it is nothing but a distraction to manipulate 45's base, to keep them engaged and believing that russia did nothing, they just want to help. Please step outside the bubble of R/w media and do in depth research. I hope you do... I really hope you open your eyes,

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Rick replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 22 Jan 2018 14:19 #107

driver8 wrote: "This whole joke of an investigation into collusion could come crashing down any day if a certain memo gets released to the public. I know most people on the left probably don't know about this memo or won't believe it no matter how much evidence surfaces, but I'm sure it's much more credible than that piece of crap dossier. This could be extremely entertaining watching all of this backfire on our worthless media and the left. Hopefully something good will come out of all this, like exposing people in Obama's FBI and DOJ that were hell bent on making sure Trump lost. Sorry, no impeachment."

Wow... The 'people on the left' who have actually been following this and saw the nunes distraction coming last week. Nunes is the one who wrote it based on no facts. Then he started the whole #releasethememo hashtag on twitter and on FB. It is the TOP trending hashtag.... you know why? It is being pushed by the same russian network of bots that pushed the all of the false narratives the effected the 2016 election. You know, the one that every US intel group found evidence that was occuring. The reason why the sanctions against the russians were implemented.

Nunes is the only one who can '#releasethememo' since he and his team wrote this piece of fiction. He won't even release it to the FBI! I know, you will next say that Robert Mueller is a Obama plant.. that is the other russian disinformation campaign that is going on.

As a reminder, Mueller is one of the most respected law enforcement agents this country has know for 30 years. He is a decorated war hero. He is a republican... for his whole life. So is Christopher Wray, so is Rod Rothenstein. These are all well know facts, easily confirmed.

The only 'fake news' and associated bullshit that is out there is the crap that is being pushed by fox, infowars, brietbart and drudge. When all of this shakes out we will all know who the traitors to the United States are and the people who believe the crap from those 'sources' WILL be on the wrong side of history. JFC, the fickin RUSSIANS are the enemy! And the right is acting is if they are their friend. I truely feel for you Rick, I know you want to believe the nunes narrative, really I do. But it is nothing but a distraction to manipulate 45's base, to keep them engaged and believing that russia did nothing, they just want to help. Please step outside the bubble of R/w media and do in depth research. I hope you do... I really hope you open your eyes,

If you'd like to compare FOX with CNN and list the number of fake/bullshit stories, I'd love to challenge you on that. Other than the OPINIONS of contributors and commentators, could you list some fake news stories make by FOX in the last year?

Also, how certain are you that Obama's DOJ and FBI are completely innocent of trying to take down Trump before and after the election? Would you say there is a 0% chance based on whatever sources you trust?

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Rick replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 22 Jan 2018 15:42 #108

One more thing Driver8, since you seem believe you have a good understanding of the facts in the Russian collusion investigation, what facts have you seen that lead you to believe there was actual collusion? Who is your source(s)?

Also, if what your're implying is true, that everything in the Nunes memo is a lie, what reason would he have to lie knowing full well that every "lie" would eventually be proven as such? What does this guy have to gain by lying and risking his credibility forever? Maybe if you actually read the memo like so many in Congress have, you may have a different opinion.

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Rick replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 22 Jan 2018 19:38 #109

Hmm, what a strange coincidence:

cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/01/21/rhj.to....federal.records.pdf

You probably don't know about this, but if you really want to start to see the truth, you should really educate yourself. CNN has this buried pretty deep and isn't talking about it on their worthless network, but it's true so they had to put it somewhere so they could deny ignoring it later.

"The Department wants to bring to your attention that the FBI’s technical system for retaining text messages sent and received on FBI mobile devices failed to preserve text messages for Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page"


Reminds me of Hillary's 33,000 deleted "personal emails" . Look into the dates of when these text messages disappeared.

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FredHayek replied the topic: Impeachment proceedings against Trump 23 Jan 2018 15:04 #110

I think the Democrats realize they will not get a impeachment against President Trump until they take back the House in 2018. And then it will be unlikely that the Republican Senate would impeach Donald. And keen election observers doubt the Democrats can take back the Senate in 2018...and even if they do, it will just put VP Pence into the White House. Just wait for 2020. Trump might not even win the Republican primary. Revenge is best served cold?


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