Impeachment proceedings against Trump

09 Dec 2019 10:01 #821 by Blazer Bob
"Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story"

thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solo...bidens-ukraine-story

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09 Dec 2019 10:25 #822 by koobookie
I am continually astounded at the conservative approach to defending Trump. It's all diversion. Instead of using facts in their defense, it's become a continual diversion to other topics. "We need to question the whistleblower" rather than looking at all the other testimony presented. Putting a picture of Schiff on a milk carton. Really? Divert to Biden's, rather than dwell on the truth of the matter.

Conservatives are all emotion in their "defense", while the Democratic case is built on facts.

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09 Dec 2019 10:49 #823 by FredHayek
The Ukraine charges are but a trifle. Look at President Obama. Kerry and him whipped up a deal to return 150 billion to Iran, and then added to that by flying pallets of Euros into the capital to grease the hands of their theocratic dictators. All in an attempt to convince them to give up their nuclear program because Europe wasn't going to agree to a new wave of sanctions against the Persian country. Guess what they did with that money? Spread terrorism, fueled the Yemen war and attacked our ally Israel. Which was worse for the nation? Clearly the Iran/Obama fiasco. Right now, Kerry's buddies there are gunning down their own citizens in the streets. Of course the press ignores this. Luckily America is ignoring the partisan impeachment, Christmas is here, and CNN's ratings are at a three year low during the election season. This isn't Watergate with every TV turned to the proceedings.

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09 Dec 2019 11:11 #824 by koobookie

FredHayek wrote: The Ukraine charges are but a trifle. Look at President Obama. Kerry and him whipped up a deal to return 150 billion to Iran, and then added to that by flying pallets of Euros into the capital to grease the hands of their theocratic dictators. All in an attempt to convince them to give up their nuclear program because Europe wasn't going to agree to a new wave of sanctions against the Persian country. Guess what they did with that money? Spread terrorism, fueled the Yemen war and attacked our ally Israel. Which was worse for the nation? Clearly the Iran/Obama fiasco. Right now, Kerry's buddies there are gunning down their own citizens in the streets. Of course the press ignores this. Luckily America is ignoring the partisan impeachment, Christmas is here, and CNN's ratings are at a three year low during the election season. This isn't Watergate with every TV turned to the proceedings.


Deflect to Obama. Nice.

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09 Dec 2019 11:58 #825 by ScienceChic
*Note: the Steele Dossier, per the soon-to-be-released full IG report, was NOT the basis for the opening of the FBI's investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russian government operatives.

BREAKING: ABC News can confirm that the Trump “family member” referenced in the Inspector General report who had a friendship with dossier author Chris Steele, was Ivanka. She met him in 2007 at a dinner in London when he was still working for MI6. -Julia MacFarlane

Oh.
‘Dossier’ author Chris Steele met Ivanka Trump years before Russia scandal, source says
By Julia Macfarlane, December 9, 2019

In 2007, Ivanka Trump met Steele at a dinner and they began corresponding about the possibility of future work together, the source said. The following year, the two exchanged emails about meeting up near Trump Tower, according to several emails seen by ABC News. They suggest Ivanka Trump and Steele stayed in touch via emails over the next several years. In one 2008 exchange they discussed dining together in New York at a restaurant just blocks from Trump Tower.

The prior relationship came to light as investigators with the DOJ IG’s office was looking into allegations of political bias at the origins of the Russia investigation since May 2018.

The report, which was released publicly today, briefly references these past dealings. In his discussion with investigators from the inspector general’s office, Steele cited his past cordial relationship with Ivanka Trump as reason to believe that he was not biased against her.

“If anything he was ‘favorably predisposed’ towards the Trump family before he began his research,” he told the investigators, the report says.

Bwahahahaha! So he was good enough to hire, but completely full of sh** putting together a report on Daddy's campaign's dubious contacts? Sure Jan. ROFL

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The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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09 Dec 2019 12:54 #826 by ScienceChic
Considering the source, I'm sure many will dismiss this information, but I find it interesting that the acting DNI is sitting on a Senate Intelligence Committee report, a GOP-controlled committee I remind, that bipartisanly investigated the claims into Ukraine and Crowdstrike interfering in US 2016 elections and found NO evidence to that point. The report has been finished for months but has been sitting at the DNI's office waiting to be declassified so it can be released to the public.

What's even more fascinating is that there are some Republican Senators/former Senators (cough Kennedy and Cruz) who continue to try to claim that Ukraine interfered in our elections, contrary to the indignant protestations by Republican House members during the HPSCI hearings that they have all stated publicly that Congress has agreed that Russia interfered.

Interesting indeed. So our President, who has access to the best and most complete intelligence information, continues to peddle conspiracy theories. His decisions, and actions, are based on his own misconceptions and self-interest, decisions that harm our national security and place our allies in higher danger from aggression by Russia.

Senate Intel report debunking Russian Ukraine story completed
Dec. 5, 2019

Rachel Maddow reports that the Senate Intelligence Committee report debunking the Russian Ukraine/Crowdstrike story is complete and has been awaiting final DNI clearance for months. Michael Carpenter, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine, Eurasia, shares his reaction.

Senate panel look into Ukraine interference comes up short
Some Republican senators recently questioned whether Kyiv tried to sabotage Donald Trump’s campaign in 2016. But the GOP-led Intelligence Committee looked into the theory, and found scant evidence to support it.
By NATASHA BERTRAND, Politico | 12/02/2019

Here's the classified version of the report on Russia interfering: www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/defaul...s/Report_Volume2.pdf

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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09 Dec 2019 14:43 #827 by ScienceChic
Review of Four FISA Applications and Other Aspects of the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation- Full Report (Redacted for Public Release)
Office of the Inspector General, U.S. Department of Justice

Press Release from FBI Director Christopher Wray:

Washington, D.C.
FBI National Press Office
(202) 324-3691

December 9, 2019
FBI Director Christopher Wray's Response to Inspector General Report
Director Christopher Wray provided the following letter to the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General in response to the report titled "Review of Four FISA Applications and Other Aspects of the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation,” released today.

December 6, 2019

The Honorable Michael Horowitz
Inspector General
U.S. Department of Justice
Washington, D.C. 20530

Dear Inspector General Horowitz:

Thank you for the opportunity to respond to the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) Report titled, “Review of Four FISA Applications and Other Aspects of the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation” (Report).

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) appreciates the OIG’s crucial independent oversight role and the thoroughness and professionalism your office brought to this work. The Report’s findings and recommendations represent constructive criticism that will make us stronger as an organization. We also appreciate the Report’s recognition that the FBI cooperated fully with this review and provided broad and timely access to all information requested by the OIG, including highly classified and sensitive material involving national security.

The Report concludes that the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation and related investigations of certain individuals were opened in 2016 for an authorized purpose and with adequate factual predication. The Report also details instances in which certain FBI personnel, at times during the 2016-2017 period reviewed by the OIG, did not comply with existing policies, neglected to exercise appropriate diligence, or otherwise failed to meet the standard of conduct that the FBI expects of its employees — and that our country expects of the FBI. We are vested with significant authorities, and it is our obligation as public servants to ensure that these authorities are exercised with objectivity and integrity. Anything less falls short of the FBI’s duty to the American people.

Accordingly, the FBI accepts the Report’s findings and embraces the need for thoughtful, meaningful remedial action. I have ordered more than 40 corrective steps to address the Report’s recommendations. Because our credibility and brand are central to fulfilling our mission, we are also making improvements beyond those recommended by the OIG. And where certain individuals have been referred by the OIG for review of their conduct, the FBI will not hesitate to take appropriate disciplinary action if warranted at the completion of the required procedures for disciplinary review.

Below is a summary of the actions we are taking, which we describe in more detail in the attachment to this letter.

First, we are modifying our processes under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), both for initial applications and renewals, to enhance accuracy and completeness. The FBI relies on FISA every day in national security investigations to prevent terrorists and foreign intelligence services from harming the United States. We are making concrete changes to ensure that our FISA protocols, verifications, layers of review, record-keeping requirements, and audits are more stringent and less susceptible to mistake or inaccuracy. These new processes will also ensure that the FISA Court and the Department of Justice (DOJ) are apprised of all information in the FBI’s holdings relevant to a determination of probable cause.

Second, we undertook an extensive review of investigative activity based out of FBI Headquarters. The FBI is a field-based law enforcement organization, and the vast majority of our investigations should continue to be worked by our field offices. Moving forward, in the very rare instance when FBI Headquarters runs a sensitive investigation, we are requiring prior approval by the FBI Deputy Director and consultation with the Assistant Director in Charge or Special Agent in Charge of the affected field offices.

Third, we are making significant changes to how the FBI manages its Confidential Human Source (CHS) Program. Many FBI investigations rely on human sources, but the investigative value derived from CHS-provided information rests in part on the CHS’s credibility, which demands rigorous assessment of the source. The modifications we are making to how the FBI collects, documents, and shares information about CHSs will strengthen our assessment of the information these sources are providing.

Fourth, I am establishing new protocols for the FBI’s participation in Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI)-led counterintelligence transition briefings (i.e., strategic intelligence briefings) provided to presidential nominees. The FBI’s role in these briefings should be for national security purposes and not for investigative purposes. Continued participation by the FBI in these transition briefings is critical to ensuring continuity in the event of a change in administrations. The new FBI protocols about transition briefings will complement procedures already implemented by the FBI earlier this year to govern the separate category of defensive briefings. The FBI gives defensive briefings, which are based on specific threat information, in a wide variety of contexts and for myriad federal, state, and other public and private individuals and entities. The procedures we recently established for defensive briefings regarding malign foreign influence efforts have brought a new rigor and discipline to whether and how such briefings should proceed.

Fifth, I am mandating a specialized, semiannual training requirement for FBI personnel at all levels who handle FISA and CHS matters. This training will be experience-based, and it will cover specific lessons learned from this Report, along with other new and revised material. Earlier in my tenure as Director, I reinstated an annual ethics training program for all FBI employees, because I learned the training had been discontinued in prior years. While that training was not introduced in response to this Report, all current FBI employees involved in the 2016-2017 events reviewed by the OIG have since completed this additional training in ethics and professional responsibility.

Finally, we will review the performance and conduct of certain FBI employees who were referenced in the Report’s recommendations — including managers, supervisors, and senior officials at the time. The FBI will take appropriate disciplinary action where warranted. Notably, many of the employees described in the report are no longer employed at the FBI.

* * *

I want to emphasize that the FBI’s participation in this process was undertaken with my express direction to be as transparent as possible, while honoring our duty to protect sources and methods that, if disclosed, might make Americans less safe. Where protection of certain sensitive information is well-founded, I remain committed to upholding the laws and longstanding policies governing classification and public release. I am just as committed to the principle that possible embarrassment and chagrin to the FBI or its employees is not, and should never be, the basis of a decision not to divulge FBI information. The FBI has worked closely with the OIG and DOJ on the classification issues implicated by the Report. Our joint process with the OIG and DOJ has ensured all material facts could be presented in this Report, with redactions carefully limited and narrowly tailored to specific national security and operational concerns. I am grateful for the mutual assistance of the OIG and DOJ in responsible presentation of this extremely sensitive information.

Since becoming FBI Director in August 2017, I have emphasized to FBI agents, analysts, and staff the importance of doing things the right way, by the book. I am humbled to serve alongside these dedicated men and women, and I am confident that the actions we are taking will strengthen our historic institution, ensure that we continue to discharge our responsibilities objectively and free from political bias, and better position us to protect the American people against threats while upholding the Constitution.

Sincerely,


Christopher A. Wray
Director


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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09 Dec 2019 17:25 #828 by ramage
The show continues. Does anyone believe that there will not be an impeachment bill passed through the House? I add, with bipartisan opposition not support. Does anyone believe that the Senate will not acquit President Trump?
So where are we then. Back to business as usual?

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09 Dec 2019 18:13 #829 by Blazer Bob

koobookie wrote: I am continually astounded at the conservative approach to defending Trump. It's all diversion. Instead of using facts in their defense, it's become a continual diversion to other topics. "We need to question the whistleblower" rather than looking at all the other testimony presented. Putting a picture of Schiff on a milk carton. Really? Divert to Biden's, rather than dwell on the truth of the matter.

Conservatives are all emotion in their "defense", while the Democratic case is built on facts.


I am so happy to be promoted from a deplorable bitter clinger to a cult member. But you keep cling onto "facts". LOL

"How Can Anybody Support Trump? We’ll Ask a Cult Expert “The word ‘cult’ has been popping up more and more. Think back to two weeks ago on this program, Anthony Scaramucci talked about his claim that Trump supporters are in a cult. Just last week, Dan Rather said he thinks for Trump seems increasingly cultish. And this weekend in The Washington Post, Trump critic and Republican strategist John Weaver said, the GOP is ‘not a party anymore in the traditional sense; It’s a cult.’ But none of them are mental health experts. Steven Hassan is. He’s out with a brand-new book called The Cult of Trump. He has firsthand experience escaping the Unification Church back in the ’70s....You say the President is using mind control, but how is that provable?”
— Host Brian Stelter on CNN’s Reliable Sources, November 24."
www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/geoffrey-di...ve-blown-impeachment

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10 Dec 2019 06:57 #830 by homeagain

ramage wrote: The show continues. Does anyone believe that there will not be an impeachment bill passed through the House? I add, with bipartisan opposition not support. Does anyone believe that the Senate will not acquit President Trump?
So where are we then. Back to business as usual?

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NOPE......the government will morph into another form......NOT a republic or democratic form,
but rather a paradigm that will NOT be recognizable to any citizen of the United States.....THAT is the alternate reality IF the king is not removed from office.

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